From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Sep 22 18:44:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A5109FF02; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from hraggstad.unrelenting.technology (hraggstad.unrelenting.technology [71.19.146.151]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hraggstad.unrelenting.technology", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0728F7E9CA; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=unrelenting.technology; h=date:from:subject:to:message-id; s=default; bh=UFlDI8wA7U8vqggrtEr7Ul7bONi524aGWGDay/HhoAw=; b=PCDnBEqkFjSivg4+GUu6wQpJN9KVX4OhnDpyvpGpyUSu3lgd9lSqhCZbxN+YIyr29jzZ/b84xjNKhipPXyXDbL8IgmJlQ/zVWzKoDcxgET1D38ehrjfo3OGBnj7LmO+wJ/mba6NxF6Eilh6iwphzozvkznl5BRuPemJJYgxRyhc= Received: by hraggstad.unrelenting.technology (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 646367af TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 21:44:31 +0300 From: Greg V Subject: Re: Good motherboard for Ryzen (first-gen) To: Eric van Gyzen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-Id: <1537641871.2008.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> In-Reply-To: <205656c3-52a5-a75f-c352-8bf923b47b1f@vangyzen.net> References: <205656c3-52a5-a75f-c352-8bf923b47b1f@vangyzen.net> X-Mailer: geary/0.12.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:44:48 -0000 On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 5:53 AM, Eric van Gyzen =20 wrote: > I would like to build a Ryzen desktop. Can anyone recommend a good=20 > motherboard? >=20 > I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar=20 > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released=20 > errata for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be=20 > wrong). IIRC the weird freeze/segfault bugs were only in the early batches of=20 1st gen. If you get 2nd gen, you're *definitely* getting a stable chip.=20 My R7 1700 is from Aug 2017, never had any issues. So a 1st gen bought=20 today should be fine too of course, unless *somehow* you get very very=20 very old stock. > I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't=20 > justify the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8=20 > cores. :) Yeah, yeah. Good discounts on 1st gen Threadripper can be found these=20 days though=E2=80=A6 but still there's board cost + RAM cost (you have to=20 fill up 4 memory channels on TR if you want performance to not suck). > Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year=20 > warranty. For ECC, you can google board name + ecc ram. You can often find=20 reports on forums/subreddits/whatever. Since you care about warranty, you probably don't care about=20 overclocking, so do not watch the following videos: B450 boards =E2=80=94=20 https://youtu.be/yWAwOH-egFs X470 =E2=80=94 https://youtu.be/L8T2gzIkw78 :) But still, good power delivery is important for an 8-core even at stock=20 settings, so avoid the latest ASUS TUF board, and super cheap boards in=20 general. I have an MSI X370 SLI PLUS. The firmware is good, RGB lighting support=20 is good (most important thing! lol. controllable under FreeBSD with=20 https://github.com/nagisa/msi-rgb), the VRM is okay but not super great=20 (8-core @ 1.39V 3.95GHz =E2=86=92 ~100 =E2=84=83 without any direct airflow= over=20 the VRM heatsink). NIC is Realtek, recognized by re(4), I never tried=20 it (I use a Mellanox card). Audio is Realtek, works fine 99% of the=20 time (very occasionally sound stops working, sysctl=20 dev.hdac.0.polling=3D1 brings it back). There is a pin header for the SPI=20 flash chip to recover a failed firmware update (I actually did this=20 once :D), but the pins are tiny (2mm instead of the usual 2.54). =