From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 23:34:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2EE16A41F; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:34:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6FA43D45; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:34:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPP00IG5O5SOXA0@l-daemon>; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPP00LGUO5SX6A0@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca>; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.60] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IPP00FDZO5RJ8@l-daemon>; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:34:39 -0800 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: <20051109003617.U85371@fledge.watson.org> To: Robert Watson Message-id: <4372878F.6080604@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 References: <120ef0530511041210s6d3dbee8pc2db36129b44be2c@mail.gmail.com> <436BCA7B.6060700@voidmain.net> <4370D0A9.4030707@freebsd.org> <20051109003617.U85371@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051001) Cc: freebsd@voidmain.net, Richard Bejtlich , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What should be in GENERIC? (was Re: Facilitating binary kernel upgrades) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:34:41 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Colin Percival wrote: >> I find this argument hard to accept. The vast majority of FreeBSD >> users will never need the NFS_ROOT option, and many systems do not >> even have the hardware for serial or parallel ports, yet those are >> supported in the GENERIC kernel. > > While I agree with you in principle, I think many people would disagree > with your assertion about serial ports :-). Let me rephrase: Many people who run GENERIC kernels don't have hardware which supports serial ports. I'm not concerned about the people who run hundreds of headless servers, since they typically build their own kernels anyway. > With regard to the specific three kernel options mentioned above: > [snip] I should have known that you'd be able to explain why these options aren't enabled in the GENERIC kernel. Thanks for the explanations. Now I'll run off to install 6.0 on my NAT system so that I can run a GENERIC kernel on it again. :-) Colin Percival