From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jun 29 21:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pops.interhack.net (pops.interhack.net [209.190.37.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AAD150FF for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmcurtin@strangepork.interhack.net) Received: from strangepork.interhack.net (strangepork.interhack.net [192.168.1.12]) by pops.interhack.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/spamkiller) with ESMTP id AAA16344; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by strangepork.interhack.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06212; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Curtin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14201.39614.894204.317631@strangepork.interhack.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) To: "Andrew Johns" Cc: "Evan Brastow" , "Joe Konecny" , "FreeBSD List" Subject: RE: internet monitoring In-Reply-To: <002c01bec2ac$8b14c430$4001a8c0@tasajohns.turnaround.com.au> References: <14201.36621.135367.877478@strangepork.interhack.net> <002c01bec2ac$8b14c430$4001a8c0@tasajohns.turnaround.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) X-Attribution: Matvey X-URL: http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ X-Face: L"IcL.b%SDN]0Kql2b`e.}+i05V9fi\yX#H1+Xl)3!+n/3?5`%-SA-HDgPk9uTk<3dv^J5DCgal)-E{`zN#*o6F|y>r)\<>>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:56:33 +1000, "Andrew Johns" said: We're well off-topic now, but I can't think of a good place to have this conversation. :-) Andrew> I'm being the devil's advocate here a bit, I might add.. Always useful to have one of those around... ;-) Andrew> The personnel dept cannot enforce any disciplinary action Andrew> without evidence. Neither can someone sue successfully without evidence. Andrew> Assuming that you are the boss in a Andrew> company, how will you answer the lawyer that asks you what Andrew> evidence you have to backup your claim that the person you Andrew> fired was spending company time (your money) surfing Andrew> inappropriate sites? You don't dismiss someone for looking at "naughty" sites. Or reading cnn.com. You might dismiss someone for being unproductive, in which case your evidence is the work that has been produced, or its absence. You might also dismiss someone on the grounds that they have been a source of sexual harassment, in which case the HR department, when dealing with the matter, would have a record of the events. I advocate treating employees like people. Like adults. You explain what you expect from them, they explain what they expect of you. If the two decide to work together, both must live up to the bargain. If one doesn't, the other says something about it. If it's bad enough, you severl the relationship. It's that simple. It really is. You are paying for your connection to the Internet in order to conduct business. And you're paying for it during "off-hours", too, so why not let your employees use the tool for their own edification (maybe they're reading etexts, Usenet FAQs, etc.) or pleasure (so who cares if they're playing MUDs when they're not working?) if they like? -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message