From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 06:28:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328D51065670; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F28FC19; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7so2751345pvc.13 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:28:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fyTzW4g28UM/puK0hsSYARQklBH74aZTGerLHiIe9uI=; b=GCkSU20ptKjk2a6w9qnxTz1hWeQX3fhowoQcOk93tUo9OtfznZlrPk+nnJ6qVzDiLx II7ZYzHJ8YHtXks7++Mss4OWR/G/YCdW1d4OrBsbdO15a+a1oEv9RxBVxlmg9MsIfMIA mpANP1qPPomUCReJKpFT8hjyMfkb6rlHXrvdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uabeQLzRdoCkBGxVMqKE/sdlZrd85ftoEJ3p99xGiN//AzhMKGKaRz9YiR1yUTUxVU xPEfqvuEUNgUBN/HvUwDSEFxcIYDSrspbjrwhVpYrRdfiN40X7td9++8eMQ0vXOy1wm6 g6tRavRa14lu21EnR42IWHgHNojdP4q60oDk8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.30.2 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 23:28:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BBFD502.1010507@elischer.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:28:27 -0500 Received: by 10.142.247.28 with SMTP id u28mr691373wfh.69.1270880907296; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Kris Moore , John Hixson , ports@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer , "Dave Fourman\(Gmail\)" , Matt Olander , Vanessa Kraus , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: ports and PBIs X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:28:28 -0000 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Adam Vande More wr= ote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Julian Elischer wro= te: > >> >> Alfred Perlstein , Matt at ix systems Kris (Mr PBI), some >> others and I, felt that these ideas seemed to make some sense >> and so I put them here for comment. >> >> > FWIW, when I see these discussions I'm always left wondering what's the b= ad > part? =A0I do think there are problems, but there doesn't seem to be a cl= ear > defined set of what is wrong. =A0 IMO, there should be a defined set of g= oals > to judge possible implementations against. Let me start by saying FreeBSD ports is by far the best system I have used to date. but as good as it is, there is room for improvement. Being a FreeBSD user now for many years, one thing I think would be nice is= : being able to have easier access to development ports( Masked ports kinda like Gentoo). right now is a GREAT example, currently there are new Gnome ,KDE and Xorg. these are all MAJOR ports,dependencies run deeper and deeper with every rel= ease. there can never be enough testing...but they all exist in random subversion servers around the web... I would very much like to help test these Major ports, but installing them is a pain. there should be some sort of overlay system in place, so I can just build the development ports after agreeing to a few well placed warnings of course. and Well if I hose my system all to hell.. well then I could just click on a bunch of PBI's and I am back in business.= .. better still, make the development ports a PBI, I am just thinking out loud here,but that may work, toughts? one could say I could use merge scripts like marcusmerge for example, or use Virtualbox... but for large ports like Xorg and gnome or KDE, virtualbox doesn't cut it y= et... thinks like Nvidia Video cards, multiple monitors, USB devices, and whatnot do not work on virtual box.. PBI's for development ports, with all the dependencies, wrapped in one pack= age. solution? well let all the developers develop working ports in progress in one place, give users like me a way to track these changes and install and test them... I think FreeBSD becomes a better place for it. Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks