From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 13 12:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCE816A4CE for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spider.deepcore.dk (cpe.atm2-0-53484.0x50a6c9a6.abnxx9.customer.tele.dk [80.166.201.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC91F43D5A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:13:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Received: from [194.192.25.143] (laptop.deepcore.dk [194.192.25.143]) by spider.deepcore.dk (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j3DCDINB062469; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:13:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Message-ID: <425D0C7B.5070707@DeepCore.dk> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:11:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Arne_=5C=22W=F6rner=5C=22=22?= References: <20050413115404.34207.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050413115404.34207.qmail@web41203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-mail-scanned: by DeepCore Virus & Spam killer v1.12 cc: FreeBSD Multimedia Subject: Re: Followup to DVD Burning question X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:13:22 -0000 Arne W=F6rner wrote: > --- S=F8ren Schmidt wrote: >=20 >>Arne W=F6rner wrote: >> >>>That's how I do backups with a DVD-RW: >>> tar cf - ... | dd of=3D/dev/acd0 obs=3D32k conv=3Dosync >>> >>>Unluckily my DVD-RW's cannot be used for UFS with my >>>burner... I do not know why. >> >>DVD-RW doesn't quite cut it for UFS, you need DVD+RW media for >>that. >> >=20 > Why? I can read and write the same block of a DVD-RW round robin. > I mean: >=20 >>dd if=3Da of=3D/dev/acd0 bs=3D32k count=3D1 oseek=3D10 >>dd if=3D/dev/acd0 of=3D /dev/null bs=3D32k count=3D1 iseek=3D10 >>dd if=3Db of=3D/dev/acd0 bs=3D32k count=3D1 oseek=3D10 >>dd if=3D/dev/acd0 of=3D /dev/null bs=3D32k count=3D1 iseek=3D10 >>dd if=3Dc of=3D/dev/acd0 bs=3D32k count=3D1 oseek=3D10 >>dd if=3D/dev/acd0 of=3D /dev/null bs=3D32k count=3D1 iseek=3D10 >=20 > ... > This looks just like a hard disc to me... I forgot the exact details, but the DVD-RW media (or rather the DVD-RW=20 method of accessing RW media) doesn't allow for non 32K transfers,=20 whereas the DVD+RW method does read-modify-write behind the scene to get = it to work seamlessly. I guess this could be worked around in the burner = firmware but that would probably offend the DVD consortium ;) --=20 -S=F8ren