From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 06:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D92116A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1C543FE3 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65116167522 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:30:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gmx.net (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8ADUT26047389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:30:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Message-ID: <3F5F2774.9010408@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:30:28 +0200 From: Michael Nottebrock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Quo vadis, -CURRENT? (recent changes to cc & compatibility) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:30:32 -0000 Sorry if this sounds a bit flame-ish, but the way I see it we now have a system compiler in -CURRENT that doesn't even compile a hello world if -pedantic is specified and breaks with lots of existing software out there that tries to use a threads library because -pthread errors out (why could this change not have been made _after_ 4.9 is out the door, btw.? Or before 5.0-R FWIW.) Are we expecting people to be able to compile software directly from the commandline at all these days and in the future on a (stable) FreeBSD-5? Is the decision criterion for making acceptable changes to core system components that we can somehow make 3rd party software compiling via ports-collection hacks? I feel that a FreeBSD that manages to break so many existing configure-scripts and build systems is degraded in usefulness. - ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org