From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 20 6:16:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465EC37B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net (eth0.smtp2.surewest.net [66.60.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE8C43F3F for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:16:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avoozl@rcsis.com) Received: (qmail 14164 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 14:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avoozl) (66.60.134.178) by smtp2.surewest.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 14:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c2eeeb$516eb410$02fea8c0@avoozl> From: "Chris Willoughby" To: Cc: References: <001d01c2eedc$bc1c1cd0$d70d10ac@summitoh.net> <23992.66.170.163.124.1048169246.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com> Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:16:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 X-TST: SMTP2 SNWK Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about testing with Alphas or Opterons? When you can find them.. ; ) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:07 AM Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server > Die thread, die! > > --jeff > > > Ryan Watson said: > > > >> You should probably look that up. Even the lowly Dell Poweredge > >> 2650 > >> has a 8GB memory limit. > > > > That's because it's more than one CPU, each x86 can address only 4Gigs. > > Trust me on this one, it's physics. BTW, are you a Dell salesperson? > > Sit down with a piece of paper, and figure out what the largest number > > you can come up with, with only 32 bits? Oh yeah, that means you do it > > with a base of 2, not 10. > > > >> If you just flip the meaning of everything above, it sounds right. > >> > >> * The Itanium has no signficant server market share. No one except HP > >> is even comitted to Itanium. > > > > Dell is commited to Itanium, in case you missed it. > > > >> > >> * Lots of enterprises use Xeon (or even just P3/P4) boxes becuase with > >> n-tier apps, individual server performance is unimportant. Look at > >> the statements from Google's CTO on processors. Brace yourself, their > >> enterprise is definitely bigger than yours, and has no ultrasparcs. > >> And look, they all have jobs! And look, Dell has just announced that > >> "Unix (they mean Solaris) is dead", and they are moving their Oracle > >> supply chain app to intel boxes. > > > > Google does it with something called Beowolf clustering, which means > > they're taking the power of lots of machines and using it as one, a much > > different beast entirely. Also, Google does have sparcs, not many, but > > they do have them. As for Dell announcing that "Unix is Dead", buy a > > clue. Dell would say that because Dell doesn't make money from Unix. > > Dell is MS's schill, so they'll say whatever Bill tells them to. Dell > > isn't moving their Oracle supply chain app to intel, Dell doesn't do > > anything but Intel anyhow, and if they were running a Unix system for > > their supply chain, that's even more proof of the superiority of *nix > > over Windows. > > > >> > >> * 64 bit doesn't mean that you automatically go twice as fast. It > >> simply means your registers are bigger, so certain operations are > >> faster. x86 processors fetch data in 64bit or 128bit chunks already. > >> > > > > x86's do not fetch data in 64bit or 128bit chunks. You tell me what bus > > in a PC is 64 or even 128bits wide? The PCI bus in a PC is 32bits wide. > > You still run Windows 3.1 don't you? Because there's no difference > > between 16bit and 32bit, right? > > > >> * As far as Sparc goes, they're out of money. They keep talking about > >> a Ultrasparc III processor (3i, I believe) that is supposed to be a > >> "Xeon killer". A year later, and well... > >> > > > > You may bring whatever Xeon you want here to Akron, Ohio, and try it > > against our 2 V880's. You'll never keep up. The Windows geek has tried > > this about 10 times by now, and each time lost. For instance... we > > both attempted to create the real estate DB with Oracle. It's a db of > > about 8 gigs. It took the Dell PowerEdge about 5 hours to complete, it > > took the V880 about 16 minutes. See this when reading below as well > > because this is what I'm talking about when I mean load. You really > > should invest in some college courses. > > > > Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message