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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 44a1b5ce37fa7a2dd70cd870d3b53abe; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <12921270.kl7XSLc1hW@ravel> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:41:31 -0800 Cc: Current FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74B030A5-6141-4FE2-AE8C-79548B82FAF0@yahoo.com> References: <3183964.fD0qBhBWp0@ravel> <6A477CBE-692E-49F9-B21E-2C0D29F09766@yahoo.com> <12921270.kl7XSLc1hW@ravel> To: Olivier Certner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TCtcq5twkz4k14 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Jan 14, 2024, at 15:15, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi Mark, >=20 >> I seriously care about having a lack of access times. >=20 > Then, I think elaborating on your use cases would be valuable to the = discussion, if by chance you want to and can share about them. I'm confused: I go to the trouble to produce the same end result as your suggested change of defaults would produce, ending up with no recording of access times. Nothing about that of itself implies that I'd want the defaults for mount notation or /etc/fstab notation or the like changed --or that I'd want them unchanged. To narrow of a context for such a judgment about defaults. In case the potential confusion is involved, I'll quote another reply that I just made relative to more potential use of notime: QUOTE I've not reported any objection to bsdinstall having explicit choices required in its menus. Nor to changing how, say, official snapshots are generated (so long as well notified and documented). If my wording was unclear on that, I'm sorry. My focus was on things like mount command notation and /etc/fstab notation (that tracks mount defaults) or subroutine interface equivalents of such things and changing their behavior without requiring changing the notation already in place in various files. (I've tried to word the above without making new points, avoiding contributing more to the bike shed material.) END QUOTE =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com