From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 16:20:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BBF1065677 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88358FC23 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfw7 with SMTP id fw7so9711850vcb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e75zjUKr8gElr2hxdMYyoG2nKDVvKTDzHehezwZA71A=; b=AQkAkw4UsFw8PBdJChxjNi8/10H0GlaCRcZzQsLn2GjnvpNhNYda9eYjWXgVVufC7+ hj8+zMU8EWtCEdp1PbmYLcIS2ZebOzCPCLNtqSUrsRRJh1HgGANJlQVriG9HsdiSuewz WmWUEyiuzzacb8DtIvQgpCSDmWOyhfyPmVDILYaOpPfrgfR6uypDoeBr6YBlXpdooWPb OWlbZxg1duiSGCs4MdVBcjgXT4MPm1sKQmCtQeyPEteQQNur7ChsWe2wu6Te6y4KgJsF 4Vc09Y1cG5SGts3IREOr/+hToNAnINelBJBlAJBz7725wxgL/eggt4cCsjDQ4Q+qKOVM 2gNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.223.13 with SMTP id ii13mr7735099vcb.2.1347898853939; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.228.1 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:20:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Evans To: Zhihao Yuan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:20:55 -0000 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, "UNIX Essentials > featuring the Solaris...", and GUI takes a big part in the book. A > default GUI is essential to a modern UNIX. FreeBSD can no longer > regard GUI as a third-party bonus. This is according to *your* use cases though. There are many of us who do not put X - or any graphical environment - on our FreeBSD servers. If FreeBSD did not regard a GUI as an optional 3rd party component, that would mean bringing Xorg, and a specified default WM into base - potentially even dbus and hald as well. IMO that would be a waste of time and resources, as both Xorg and most WM have rapid development changes - just look at how many issues are brought up on x11@ when there are new upgrades of Xorg available. As well as this, Xorg versions would have to remain relatively stable during minor releases, meaning if you DO want X11, then you are being hamstrung by requiring it in base. Status quo for me please. Cheers Tom