Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 18:06:07 -0500 From: Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: THANK YOU for flavors! Message-ID: <5725d81b-c422-42ea-d901-8bc8e5564f5f@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <1512686622.79950.1.camel@yandex.com> References: <fe339d99-2516-d17d-fa94-b6ff48f57114@bluerosetech.com> <1afffe5a-8882-6cd8-5c09-b0c93e28bec5@gmail.com> <98c8597a-1db1-b1f6-2aa3-4f09b9a52c59@columbus.rr.com> <1512686622.79950.1.camel@yandex.com>
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On 12/7/2017 5:43 PM, Stari Karp wrote: > On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 07:51 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote: >>> Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim: >>>> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and >>>> say >>>> thank you for bring in this feature. I've been chomping at the >>>> bit to >>>> try flavours out since I heard about them. I started flavouring >>>> my >>>> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it >>>> landed. >>>> >>>> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freeb >>>> sd.org" >>> Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non >>> technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of >>> flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is >>> not >>> mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD. >>> I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read >>> and >>> understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a >>> multi >>> server envirement and on the desktop. >>> The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single >>> machine >>> or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not >>> working >>> anymore. >>> Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best >>> without >>> out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future >>> updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying >>> to >>> update there system. >>> If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice >>> on the >>> channels. >>> >>> Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is >>> and it >>> is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into >>> FreeBSD. >>> So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big >>> changes. >>> If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. >>> And >>> they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man >>> page. >>> They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe >>> poudriere >>> update ports for all that matters. >>> >> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few >> days >> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a >> " >> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so >> called folks in charge here for even asking. >> >> > I understand your frustration but I am happy with Synth and Mr. Marino > made patches extremely fast. I updated everything with success. > > John new "port system" looks really good it may well be the wave of the future, if it gets a little support. check out https://github.com/jrmarino/Ravenports and http://www.ravenports.com Of course it will need to expand to other platforms, and expand the number of packages in the ravenports system, but it looks like a good alternative to ports. Too bad I am moving from FreeBSD back to Linux or I would have a go with it. I have been working on something that is similar to ravenports for all my in house servers and desktops. I should have something working by the end of the year. I already have a "system builder" completed that builds and installs a scratch built linux base system. I will have some "meta packages" that will allow one to install desktop machines by installing one base package and one desktop package for a working base/default desktop machine. That is how I setup my freebsd boxs (soon to be linux boxs), desktop-lumina, desktop-kde and desktop-gnome. I also have meta packages for server-mail, server-dns, server-file, server-web and server-dhcp. Installing is simple as booting to the USB drive, partitioning and installing ext4 filesystem(s) and then install base and desktop-kde. edit a few config files and it's done. Same for servers. If I want a dns and dhcp server all I need to do is to install base, server-dns and server-dhcp and edit a few config files and I am good to go.
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