From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 11:50:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F018816A41F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:50:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B443D49; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:50:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp232-237.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.232.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06BoHrD041706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:20:20 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Jo Rhett Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:20:11 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <200601061120.14707.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060106112329.GG54324@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060106112329.GG54324@svcolo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart17759608.RyVHtf6x3N"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200601062220.13417.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: 0 () SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:50:26 -0000 --nextPart17759608.RyVHtf6x3N Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:53, Jo Rhett wrote: > > you mean? Are you claiming someone from (or claiming to be from core) > > said "Don't do this, we won't allow it"? If so, can you supply proof? > > I used to write a lot of patches to freebsd. I used to submit a lot of b= ug > reports. I've found over the years that unless you have gotten > pre-agreement from others about the nature of the patch, or agreement to > focus on the problem, neither one amounts to a hill of beans. Installati= on > problems that existed in 4.4 are still alive and well in the 6.0 installe= r, > for example. That is not my experience. > How FreeBSD "works" is by getting someone in the core team to care about > the issue. No amount of problem reports, patches or code will generate > even a millimeter of movement otherwise. You are mistaking core@ for developers@.. Like I've said before, core is largely irrelevant in FreeBSD when it comes = to=20 deciding what stuff gets added. > I've written far too much code for various freebsd problems, and it has > always been ignored. Not rejected, ignored. Unless someone with commit > rights thinks it's a good idea, writing code for freebsd is a waste of > time. Yes.. and those people AREN'T CORE. Please, please stop confusing your term= s,=20 it makes the discussion much harder than it needs to be. You ARE right if what you mean is that "We need interested committers to he= lp=20 thrash out a system for making upgrades simpler". I imagine there are a few committers interested, but I'd say you need to as= k=20 the right way first.. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart17759608.RyVHtf6x3N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDvll15ZPcIHs/zowRAmo8AJ9ocN73YZijfX5s6c0b5FL4AhIKgwCeIL4j oC06ZOPLwTvNrCdlTzdm/i8= =hJ81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart17759608.RyVHtf6x3N--