From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 18:52:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3A31098DF8 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C51678FD82 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id p79-v6so30951788itp.3 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=WZlxLNsJ7fyscwRNVep+qm4ZAIYTryswK5hSbsSq8mI=; b=o7zuSaKw6fPLfhH6E2AoTST4QPgqQQRRFKrfNipzkc0e/UWBK+2C2uQN8RTB0kKSrK DLqYEnvgR9omt7o2CJJ0FXoPLc0x/45WhbGJ0e144ks1R/h6X/b7IgOI+/JDz2v0BPzc lrW2dJ0+kgiLdIB2cQ/IQIfwozjYYpsYpaLD3BIPnPG6CqlRPrEAD7FNj9do4IF/dFCL q31Bwua2Mgn4sP4Xwr2Go65fKwPU+bjggMzYh5piBV0it2SuIMK3FNlqq58pmz7y1Qh9 vp6/C6zTHBvTp5ekk8s+Wt25Qt+KGuRqItwNbTFvAXew3SWvoJ+GsWIj3BzyZfFrBJ/C v6ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WZlxLNsJ7fyscwRNVep+qm4ZAIYTryswK5hSbsSq8mI=; b=H63TFgOTUYGqNXDLih1o3U9tBXKoAcuKkatLwRgTpHsap68Am7UGgRSd6xsc52jT3h cpEce9aar/6f8QhGuYJbPT2Sd/EllkKQAC6BbVNgR6aEnh63MjpPKVD+ZXU5DgL2peEI 2UATP955FRF9s7VfQb3Jr4yrn/F+h/2A6WLFUvjO96AP/GL9gJEJxRwTU2fyvU9lRUbf MtV89U5nya1Y7ZOkZR7Iup4+G8IpQkoDyJw8+DHZFLT+tzXFrTyFVa8KqKRj8XM0axb/ BwbTjJEfn20G+OniK50fXMc+MX9hrwevZ/+Liz1XT6pwl5fTEZ5hMrAXWjeOj/nXcjYv ITBw== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DRDJjJ5cypvqb/avp45pkAdaEGmNcHFzcm2KqYNILjM4f+73e9 rqoc6aDgbi9Exfu+Pe6ZIPzrHQ3qAzwwdIttnv6XnQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbDtGadljP9VotieCB6c5ElAtx8GJ4fTwi4kXi1Kwu3MUeuB+IalIUHVbtfJWNYRV65yJiSZBb5EDowzTAKuyw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:9a10:: with SMTP id b16-v6mr19923430jal.4.1536605556249; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: carpeddiem@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a6b:404:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:52:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201809101757.w8AHvque079079@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201809101757.w8AHvque079079@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Ed Maste Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:52:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: va5L8i1eRoEzkYREIn5y8orABgs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Enabling the WITH_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD knob for 12.0-REL To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:52:37 -0000 On 10 September 2018 at 13:57, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> >> I know a number of developers want to keep the metadata for their own >> builds at least. > > And we do not really know what the users position is on this... If users are building FreeBSD from source they can set the knob however they like. Users of our prebuilt binares/releases are the ones who benefit from reproducible builds, and they're the ones unable to set it. > I think there is more discussion to be had before we flip > this knob anyplace. I brought this up on -arch in 2015, and gave presentations on reproducible builds in FreeBSD at BSDCan 2016 and AsiaBSDCon 2017. I believe we've had ample opportunity to discuss this in the context of what makes sense in a binary release, but there are still reasonable open questions about defaults in HEAD.