From nobody Mon Jul 20 15:14:27 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4h3kZm5mlbz6m5xD; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 15:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo75.interia.pl (smtpo75.interia.pl [217.74.67.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4h3kZm3Dntz41bN; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 15:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:14:27 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound To: np , "stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.2 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=dk; t=1784560471; bh=vTGdeHC2l/kwr4PnKpHuCzkBvKt1KtUFNhUpEVryzqI=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RkVoGPuVWBR4cMufDW03fY/xOL4DnSu/Dkv8HJq5HMdLeGHqZ+1rKk0rSiUrTx4tG vhHxfxNkTKMyGmHdHUwSP02Mb6oP8hWLEqTnGUMKaE1YSn3YXcIdS3dAsJoaakEDqq ErpZKNn/q2LJ9FIIfII7vsaDESEtDoh+c8LtCCAA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3kZm3Dntz41bN X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- > Hi, afaik there is a hudge rework of the > sound subsystem in progress, sponsored > by the FreeBSD foundation. But this should > have been merged in one commit and not > in small steps, because changes seem deep. I do not have anything against that rework ... it should just stay in FreeBSD-CURRENT line as long as its not ready to be used in production - I would even understand if if would be 'forced' into STABLE/RELEASE but only with the right tools for users/sysadmins to actually CATCH these issues and report them - so they can be fixed properly - but not - nothing like that happens - everything is pushed into STABLE and then as a consequence into RELEASE - hoping that maybe in several years the next commits fill fix it ... or not. When FreeBSD project abandoned the POLA principle? Regards, vermaden