Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:41:01 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn@gmail.com> To: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Armeb removal before 12 Message-ID: <20180614134101.6c041990@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfr5yL7qbgGzJxRAQSq=CGC35L8rwR0knEQf6UpSNPUCOw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfoVYJbJEM-PhKL3Y_edp=X6Smb1uYHrEiYSm%2BZXsTmzdw@mail.gmail.com> <540973.43848.qm@web101701.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> <CANCZdfr5yL7qbgGzJxRAQSq=CGC35L8rwR0knEQf6UpSNPUCOw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:57:02 -0600 Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> > > > To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>; " > > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org> > > > Cc: > > > Date: 2018/6/14, Thu 01:55 > > > Subject: Armeb removal before 12 > > > > > > I'd like to remove armeb before 12.0. > > > > > > It's poorly supported today. > > > > > > Nobody has tested the concurrency kit changes on it. And ck is now > > > mandatory. We don't even know if it works or not. > > > > > > Last time we asked, it took quite a while to find users. > > > > > > It maxes out at 256MB of RAM. This is barely large enough for FreeBSD to > > > run in. > > > > sys/arm/ralink target is only 16M of RAM. I use bridge on this target > > work fine. > > > > Even with current? It seems to have grown a lot. Even FreeBSD 11 on my > atmel boards, the 32MB ones can't really do much of anything (though a > custom /etc/rc.d might be usable). The 64MB ones I have troubles logging > into without disabling a ton of stuff. And FreeBSD-current is even larger. > As someone wrote in an earlier mail to one of the lists, it's amazing how bloated UNIX has become in the last few decades. In 1986 I was developing on a 68010-based SYS V machine for Morrow Designs which had a whopping 1MB of RAM. This was considered to be a very well endowed machine! It was packed with all kinds of controller boards and I was doing custom drivers for Morrow Designs. It even had one of the very first Syquest removable-disk drives in it, I think it was the 5MB model with MFM encoding. Unfortunately, 1986 was also the year in which Morrow Designs went tits up. I then owned the only UNIX-based machine which Morrow Designs had ever produced. Eventually I donated it to the VCF. -- Gary Jennejohn
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