From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 23 18:43:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA04701 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:43:14 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA04686 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:43:09 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id VAA02735; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:36:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: mail outages. To: gary@palmer.demon.co.uk cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hi there > > Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I'm seeing e-mail > replies in mailing lists when I don't remember seeing the origional > e-mail. I've done some digging, and according to my local mail logs I > was never offered the e-mail (it was from John Dyson, message ID > <199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>). I've dug through the > mail log on freefall, and have come up with a blank. Either > bulk_mailer never resent the mail to me, or I have overlooked > something obvious. > > Anyone else seen this? Am I experiencing memory loss or e-mail loss? i have just checked the maillogs on freefall. the message in questions is: Aug 20 18:48:39 freefall sendmail[1536]: SAA01536: from=dyson, size=1095, class=0, pri=91095, nrcpts=3, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, relay=dyson@localhost this went out, or was spooled for delivery, to "everyone" within minutes. but remember bulk_mailer reorders the mailing list everytime it sends out mail. if someone is added or removed from the list, you may moved from one bulk_mailer'ed message to another. you may get stuck behind several slow sites or even sites that time out. this is one of the costs of the mail delivery speed up that bulk_mailer has given us. as a result of the reordering, you may get replies before you the see the questions!! more log data below, if you really want it ;) Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 Aug 20 18:48:41 freefall sendmail[1545]: SAA01545: from=hackers-owner, size=1398, class=-60, pri=199398, nrcpts=3, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, relay=majordom@localhost Aug 20 18:48:44 freefall sendmail[1558]: SAA01558: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=679558, nrcpts=19, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:48:46 freefall sendmail[1561]: SAA01561: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=709558, nrcpts=20, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:48:48 freefall sendmail[1567]: SAA01566: from=, size=996, class=-60, pri=828996, nrcpts=24, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:48:49 freefall sendmail[1569]: SAA01569: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=799558, nrcpts=23, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:48:50 freefall sendmail[1571]: SAA01571: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=769558, nrcpts=22, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:48:52 freefall sendmail[1573]: SAA01573: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=769558, nrcpts=22, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 18:50:14 freefall sendmail[1575]: SAA01575: from=, size=1558, class=-60, pri=739558, nrcpts=21, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@localhost Aug 20 20:09:25 freefall sendmail[7804]: UAA07804: from=, size=2168, class=-60, pri=140168, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199508210148.SAA01536@freefall.FreeBSD.org>, proto=SMTP, relay=ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42] so it came in as SAA01536 and went out as SAA01545 locally and went out to the net as SAA01558 SAA01561 SAA01566 SAA01569 SAA01571 SAA01573 SAA01575 UAA07804 SAA01558 had problems ;( Aug 20 18:50:15 freefall sendmail[1548]: SAA01545: to="|/home/majordomo-1.92/bulk_mailer -m owner-freebsd-hackers /home/mail/lists/freebsd-hackers", delay=00:01:34, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1 Aug 20 18:50:15 freefall sendmail[1548]: SAA01545: SAA01548: return to sender: unknown mailer error 1 SAA01561 went without problems as did SAA01566, SAA01569, SAA01571, SAA01573, SAA01575, UAA07804 aside from the usual, no route to host, etc....