From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon Jan 2 03:27:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E49DC9A2EE for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 03:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com (mail-lf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14C5B1258 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 03:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y21so264473776lfa.1 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:27:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x7T8U56w8E2a1xjgN/QBFm0VMIYM6QMG2oynt7J2qFo=; b=JigwZdqg9BUQPkUBB0KkTvI4CpML+sJTTKnoNBSJO9GtCzr6cNhRzzJG8L3b4M5pJc MbLIgrXDFzY9/xFomLd+92AZbPKvvxdMALcs8XSfHCDogUiYCt7nHKAk20AlXDJfukYc hP57Co3jTd3J6crs0/crWifb6IXUKV1NZk4L5IE57c/eDI/T00ppmDdU/huOCZBsPY2z z0Fa1Jhy9/JQzXSYJgoxIEyjOhB6UBW0b0FEdZyOhjR+zN98acZFcpkK3ljFPV0ghUXD RWpvGxZMx15yELrjn9U/J1iQvPQNLvF0rRnldW958z0Exd9YVEPGOz2iktGk1iaw97Wz 0/Lg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x7T8U56w8E2a1xjgN/QBFm0VMIYM6QMG2oynt7J2qFo=; b=eKnUsB2AkOuf2tdaoi7s448fHPqOqYKrJv2m3gWqTbxdCHsCIGZNIhy35iQa1FbuIJ 9AwaVzisaEDLEnGo35kjdU57Puatqm68PV3jwL7ILMkUBgpRinlDc1PycYBDdOPqj5qQ oYMNtclR8tBbjf7OVRh8jkGdoNMRRVGLayq45KBDWepD14V/ZZwaWAihrLvyqsf3dsh7 cq/NzPhncwCixthFEtzkBkBmCgXOEw0asVtjX230BNcBLRvIdG9ZRAKZikEamcQ7Axz+ 2VpjeIZ6rOQC9GcO0JwszNhwOfZmY7I5+6i69z522KQuJj1MoIKzekY71nXMBFFSx0jd 8a2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLxqWPXlS5ZCx3kL2ZdO/mq6/4NBIRRULiNgCyTlZHxbCarWH1htPqNBmwIULOtkqOBdiQf2JFeOAtdjw== X-Received: by 10.46.78.26 with SMTP id c26mr20117909ljb.46.1483327623667; Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:27:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.79.88 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 19:27:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1595bdc0a96.b508ef2f74041.1895406691949887756@nextbsd.org> References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20170101183653.2c85698a@rsbsd.rsb> <1595bce760d.c5a48b9473813.1749970069728099599@nextbsd.org> <58696F74.2000703@abinet.ru> <1595bdc0a96.b508ef2f74041.1895406691949887756@nextbsd.org> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 11:27:02 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant To: Matthew Macy Cc: abi , x11-list freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 03:27:06 -0000 Matthew it doesn't matter how big the obstacles are, you either find away past the obstacle or die trying. Consider this thing a go, I'll be around. Best, Owen On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Macy wrote: > ---- On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 13:05:58 -0800 abi wrote ---- > > > > On 01.01.2017 23:52, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > Evangelists != money. If some data center operator tomorrow said that > they'd buy 2000 pascal cards, but they had to be supported by FreeBSD, > Nvidia would support would appear shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, that > is not likely to happen. > > > > > It would be better if Nvidia drops support of FreeBSD. I remember we had > > nouveau in 7.x (2010 ?) but nvidia driver killed it. And it continue to > > haunt graphics subsystem, killing the enthusiasm to port amd or intel > > drivers. BSDs without access to nvidia blob are ahead of us even if they > > have much less manpower. > > Although it is nice to have a professionally supported driver, I > frequently refer to the nvidia driver as a "trojan horse" because of the > ensuing neglect of everything else. > > -M > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >