From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 26 00:56:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A08337B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE1F4400F for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfirs.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.203.124] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19VRcD-0002p1-00; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:56:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3EFAA6C8.F3B75829@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:54:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <200306251557.25303.m-trade@hotpop.com> <20030625.102024.35071759.imp@bsdimp.com> <3EFA8167.E1EE7FC4@mindspring.com> <20030626161216.O74955@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4e99a73edfdc40ff7ce5460f638dd722ea2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: m-trade@hotpop.com cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: 8MB install X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:56:37 -0000 John Birrell wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:15:19PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > There *are* other ways to install than booting a CDROM; they are > > just more labor intensive, and require FreeBSD running on a more > > poswerful machine to set up the install for the other machine. > > True. Anyone who wants to install on a small machine should consider using > a network boot first. Build on a faster machine, then user etherboot on > the target machine to check it out. Sure it'll be slow, but all you have to > do once the machine is netbooted is fdisk, label the disk, newfs it and copy > over the stuff you need. Then reboot. If it doesn't work, netboot again and > have another go. Exactly. The main use for memory sizes this small these days (since you can't generally buy the seperate parts any more) is for embedded processor cores with on-die memory of that size, whih means for embedded systems. Doing developement for these, you have to expect to treat them as targets, rather than as developement platforms themselves. If you are targetting it anyway, you might as well do the work on your developement machines instead. If you don't have an extra 5M after netbooting, then you should probably create the disk image on the developement machine, and unpack it onto the target, instead of trying to use sysinstall after netbooting (the 12M limit someone else mentioned comes from expecting to run sysinstall). -- Terry