From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 17: 4:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA33637B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04852; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:04:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdoz4850; Sat Jan 20 11:03:57 2001 Message-ID: <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Mike" , References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:03:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install = X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been = gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most = experts believe so for security reasons). Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) = although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have = nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE = lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at = homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 = which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications = I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are = still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably = fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate = explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much = aggro.=20 If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / = StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, = mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have = docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like = the Handbook etc. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X I've tried installing from CD (4.0) I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) I've tried installing the 5.0 current ... and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to = X. Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me = it can't initialize the (X) server. What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and = grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to = make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts = of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm = starting over for the 20th+ time. Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install = are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get = source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to = get 4.2 to work) Any help appreciated. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had exactly the same problems = several times=20 when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main = use for=20 FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X = anyway=20 (seems most experts believe so for security reasons).
 
 Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" = setup to=20 work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use=20 regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) = days=20 thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE = sufficiently=20 to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then=20 I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has = reliable=20 support for applications I use  (particularly StarOffice / = Oracle that=20 as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what = its=20 worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things = its just=20 the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of = people so=20 much aggro. 
 
If I did have a pressing need for = FreeBSD 4.x=20 / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like = freebsddiary.org,=20 bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which = generally have=20 docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like = the=20 Handbook etc.
----- Original Message -----
 
From:=20 Mike =
Sent: Saturday, January 20, = 2001 10:46=20 AM
Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and = X

I've tried installing from CD = (4.0)
I've tried installing from ftp = (4.2)
I've tried installing the 5.0=20 current
...
and in each case somehow the = installation goes=20 wacked when it comes to X.
 
Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it = pauses for 30=20 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server.
 
What I WANT to do is install = minimally, adding=20 things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink = installed=20 and then try to make sense of it.  But whenever it comes to X, = I'm=20 cursed.
 
One time I got it running correctly, = but somehow=20 I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up.  It = was a=20 confusing mess.  So I'm starting over for the 20th+ = time.
 
Is anyone else having install = problems with=20 X?  What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I = should=20 go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD = are you=20 using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work)
 
Any help appreciated.
 
Mike
 
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