From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:30:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B37F106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remailer@dizum.com) Received: from smtp.zedz.net (outpost.zedz.net [194.109.206.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54568FC17 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143D31D4041 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.zedz.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c4o91wsV3sYf for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9E7BB1AA5C5; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Nomen Nescio Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:30:08 -0000 > Dear All , > > There is a thread > > "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" > > > I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using > FreeBSD ?" may be useful : > > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? 1. The X-org changeover a few years ago screwed up a FreeBSD installation I had been using so badly I never trusted FreeBSD's rolling update ports system again. That should have been a major FreeBSD release, but instead it was done just in the ports with no version bump and no choice and no notice unless you read the fine print. 2. Broken ports galore. Much of the stuff I wanted broke on AMD64 after downloading tarballs for hours. Not good. Contacted package maintainer and received answer: yeah, I know it doesn't work on AMD64. I still feel i386 is the only safe FreeBSD platform and I have only one or two 32 bit boxes left so FreeBSD doesn't really give me a warm fuzzy anymore. But it is still ahead of NetBSD which got more and more unstable with every new major version to the point I can't trust it. FreeBSD never crashed or did anything bad for me except during the X-org episode. 3. gcc. I realize FreeBSD is moving to clang and that it can even be built with clang. When clang is the default build, I will probably try it again. Due to nearsighted/blind Linux developers, every OS besides Linux is going to lag because of autotools and gcc crapola. It often makes compiling apps a pain in the ass on FreeBSD when a port doesn't exist. I realize this is not FreeBSD's fault and it is still an inhibitor to all the BSD for me. 4. I transitioned to mostly headless operation. FreeBSD is probably the best overall desktop there is but I found other server OS better, specifically Solaris. For my needs, YMMV. I use a Linux box for a desktop and I have servers with different archs running headless with Solaris or OpenBSD and I am looking at Dragonfly again in the near future, because pkgsrc is much better than ports. Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? 5. ZFS support on Solaris is current, on anything else, despite much appreciated efforts, it is just not there. FreeBSD has the best ZFS support outside of Solaris, but it's not enough right now and I don't think it will ever catch up until Oracle releases the source. Not holding my breath on that.