From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 7 20:18:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F831065678 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 20:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918F88FC13 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 20:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-63-204.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.63.204]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9621D9EF; Sat, 7 May 2011 22:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p47KIphQ001624; Sat, 7 May 2011 22:18:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:18:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20110507221850.d661a5fc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <507118.67900.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <723BE905-95AC-4B07-AD31-3D149F06527E@lafn.org> <462351.71539.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <507118.67900.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Sending a Fax X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 20:18:54 -0000 On Sat, 7 May 2011 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote: > Like I said, > it's all in their minds. Faxing is no safer or more secure than any other form > of comminication. Its simply a waste of ink, toner and paper as far as I'm > concerned. I fully agree - especially in business. However, there are FEW, and I may emphasize VERY FEW occassions where faxing is a welcome solution. Allow me to give one example - it's the only one I know. :-) A friend pays his ISP monthly. Due to some mistake on his side, he mixed some account numbers and got all his money back, every month, while assuming he had paid. After six months, the ISP cut his wire. He phoned them and asked for the reason, and he was told that he didn't pay for a half year. As he still had all the money on _his_ bank account, he transferred it and sent a FAX of the banking receipt to the ISP's accounting department. Less than one hour later, he was back online. Faxing is nice if you already have documents in paper form. It's STUPID to fax if you generate the documents using some means of "modern IT" (usually a PC, obviously), then PRINT it, and THEN fax it - instead of using e-mail. It sounds even more stupid if you do this internally (inside your company). But as I said, I've SEEN that. > I just finished an assignment at a dinosaur of a company which still prints of > sets of huge D and E size drawings for their estimating department. When I > showed them the things you can do with a software package like Bluebeam Revu, > they scoffed at it because it costs $189 per seat. I showed them how they were > wasting $200 to $500 each week printing out huge sets of drawings. In just on > month they could have bought enough licensed copied of Revu to account for this > and then stop printing so much paper which only ends up in the trash. I thing you've been facing the common misbelief that software is not allowed to cost anything, which leads to either NOT using software, or using pirated copies. > Their > secretaries were still sending out proposals via fax even when the client > requested a PDF be sent by e-mail. Again something I recently encountered: "We can't send you a PDF file." - as the result of being UNABLE to use their everyday software (export to PDF anyone?). On the other hand, using a 10+ years old illegal copy of a well-known... you know... :-) > Their reason for this was, "This is the only > way we know how and we've done it like this for so long, we don't want to > change." This attitude will always be funny (for "us") when the technical basis of some procedure is removed (due to evolution in technology). Then, they "surprisingly" and "right now" encounter problems they can't solve. And then, it gets REALLY expensive. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...