From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 09:12:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C8016A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:12:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jail.idea-anvil.net (idea-anvil.net [63.226.12.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB40843D1F for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:12:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aksis@idea-anvil.net) Received: from idea-anvil.net (vaio [10.0.0.99]) by jail.idea-anvil.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1I9C9YR031972 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aksis@idea-anvil.net) From: aksis Organization: idea-anvil.net To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:12:07 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502180212.08316.aksis@idea-anvil.net> Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:12:10 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 05:16 pm, stheg olloydson wrote: > it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav on > Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: > > > > >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the > >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to > >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails > >several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD > >project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and > >mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is > >probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a > >trademark. > > Something I was contemplating is that through out history there have been m= any=20 "gatekeeper" systems that have been implemented to keep the masses at bay.= =20 In history they have usually been some type of icon/gargoyle that invoked f= ear=20 in people. For those who could conquer fear, they could pass the gate. The= =20 people who passed the gate were of a higher level of consciousness. They we= re=20 the ones not governed by fear, the people who were willing to take risks an= d=20 experiment etc... These are some important qualities for *any* kind of=20 development environment. When the time came, after the groups creation had= =20 been developed and was ready for the masses, the "gatekeeper" was removed o= r=20 de-mystified and the masses could now have access to what they would have=20 destroyed or broken due to lack of understanding or out of fear. I see that beastie could be serveing this purpose. I also see that if FreeB= SD,=20 as an OS, is intending to be released to the mases then it would be wise to= =20 get rid of a mascot that, for the majority of the world, is associated with= =20 evil and/or dis-service. The mascot will turn off a lot of people. It woul= d=20 just be one more reason *not* to use freebsd.=20 It is the %1 who makes useful things for the %99, its also the %1 who is=20 beyond tripping on what mascot is being used and passes the "gate"... its=20 what is behind the mascot that is important to the %1. Don't let you person= al=20 taste for a particular decoration on the "cake" spoil the birthday party fo= r=20 the %99. If, however, FreeBSD is: still in its infancy stage; is not intended for th= e=20 masses; is not yet ready for the masses, then such a gatekeeper system woul= d=20 be wise to keep in place. It keeps the ignorant/fearful masses at bay. If t= he=20 masses are allowed in too soon, they will trip on/over the small unfinished= =20 details. That the majority of people in the world do have some deep rooted fears=20 surrounding "devils" goes with out saying. This may just be a *small* facto= r=20 in the mass mind, but its a hang up, and easily overcome by choosing a=20 different mascot *when* the time is right.=20 If the goal of making FreeBSD a widely used OS or even the #1 OS, then it=20 isn't a question of if the mascot should be changed, but when, and to what. The motto is: "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve" What mascot would fit the motto in the mass mind? Seeing as how in most peoples minds "Devils" are a dis-service, it *is* a p= oor=20 choice. It will be easier to change the mascot then to change the minds of= =20 the masses. Prehaps a Butler, with a Tux and a Tray in hand, with the FreeBSD motto=20 above/on the tray would be inline for a high quality Server OS.=20 =2D-=20 James "When you run 2 battelships into each other, they both sink."