From owner-freebsd-security Mon Sep 27 12:36:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39415389 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27837; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11712; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:32:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:32:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199909271932.NAA11712@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), cjclark@home.com, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca (Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group), dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump(8) Insecurity/Misconfiguration In-Reply-To: <199909271923.MAA13029@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <199909271903.NAA11566@mt.sri.com> <199909271923.MAA13029@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > [ Rod, you *really* need to get out more ] > > What, I spent 5 hours yesterday cleaning the side yard at the shop, is > that ``out'' enough for you :-) :-) :-) No, cause it's work related. Go jump out of a plane or something. :) [ Rod asserts that using SSH for backups is a revenue-generating task, and as such violates the 'free' use of the SSH license. ] > I'll bet you dollars to a dog turd that the SSH licensor considers this > a licensable situation. I've got the dog turd, so the bet is on. >>> You may also find that the license fee is quite low for what you >>> want to do. >> >> NOT! > Then it is even more likely to be outside of the scope of the shareware > license. It's not a shareware license, or even close to one. It basically says that if you make money from using this product (not, if you make money *AND* use this product), then you must pay for it. The amount of money you pay is not dependant on how much money you make, it's a fixed fee based on the the number of 'machines' it's installed on. (Last I bought the commercial product, it was $2K/CPU, but that was a couple of years ago.) We pay this, but it's because we needed some additional features that the commercial version had. I could have hacked the code myself, but that assumed I could do it less than 40 hours, and I doubt I could have it done/tested/documented in that amount of time, hence we just bought it for the one box that needed the feature. The other boxes all run the 'free' version. However, $2K/seat is alot of money for an ISP to charge for something as trivial as backups, especially when minimum cost is $4K (one for the tape server, and one for the remote client). It's simply not worth it, IMO. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message