Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:31:37 -0700 From: "Kerry Davis" <kedavis@uswest.net> To: "Smith, Malcolm" <Malcolm.Smith@nrc.ca> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: make world crashing repeatedly Message-ID: <003601c04e93$08a9aaf0$0200000a@system>
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the odd thing, though, is that any other OS I try - including NT - works fine. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Malcolm <Malcolm.Smith@nrc.ca> To: 'Kerry Davis' <kedavis@uswest.net> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:59 PM Subject: RE: make world crashing repeatedly >Kerry, > >Reading your symptoms again, it might be a heat problem. Check >that all of your fans are working properly. > >The L2 cache could be a problem because it may contain a bad bit. >Bad cache bits don't always cause an immediate failure, >and they don't tend to put parity bits on them so you >don't get a "Bad Cache Memory" error or anything like that. > >On one motherboard that I had, the company installed one of the >cache chips backwards, and it still took quite a few seconds of >BIOS tests before it even complained about that (that was after >the chip was fried; I think it even tested all of memory without >complaining the first few times!) > >Bad memory can cause many bogus error messages, and if your >box is old (which a 486 is likely to be), then maybe it is >just bad cache. If it makes no difference after you turn the >cache off, then it is probably something else. > >Memory errors are often heat related, so it could be cache trouble >caused by too much heat. > >My nasty 486 motherboard (the one that had the backwards cache chip) >would not install OpenBSD. It turned out to be a bad PCI slot. >Go figure. But, if I didn't use one of the PCI slots it was fine; >if I did, it would crash. Needless to say, I needed all the slots >(video + 2 NIC). > >If it is a hardware problem, the best fix might just be to buy >another 486 motherboard. I know the used computer stores here sell them >REAL CHEAP, so I would guess you could pick one up for about $10. > >Good luck, > Malcolm > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kerry Davis [mailto:kedavis@uswest.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:21 PM >> To: Smith, Malcolm >> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: make world crashing repeatedly >> >> >> but can you offer any explanation about why it would matter at all? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Smith, Malcolm <Malcolm.Smith@nrc.ca> >> To: 'Kerry Davis' <kedavis@uswest.net> >> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:16 PM >> Subject: RE: make world crashing repeatedly >> >> >> >Kerry, >> > >> >Actually, you will probably find that the external cache >> >only makes about 10-20% difference in speed. The internal >> >cache makes about a 10X difference. Also, if the 486-75 >> >overdrive is like the 486-100, then the L1 cache is larger >> >than on a regular 486 and so the effect of L2 is lessened >> >(I am assuming your L2 cache is in the 64 KB - 256 KB range). >> > >> >I get the 10-20% difference from tests I did on a 486-100 >> >with 128 KB L2 cache (many years ago). >> > >> >You might want to give it a try (rebuilding the kernel in 30 hrs >> >might still be better than getting Fatal Signals. >> > >> >Hope this helps... >> > >> >Malcolm Smith >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kerry Davis [mailto:kedavis@uswest.net] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:03 PM >> >> To: Zaitsau, Andrei >> >> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >> Subject: Re: make world crashing repeatedly >> >> >> >> >> >> actually it's currently using an Intel 486-75 overdrive. >> >> >> >> and if I disabled external cache, it might take 24 days to >> >> run, not just 24 >> >> hours. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Zaitsau, Andrei <AZaitsau@panasonicfa.com> >> >> To: 'Kerry Davis' <kedavis@uswest.net> >> >> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:45 PM >> >> Subject: RE: make world crashing repeatedly >> >> >> >> >> >> >Let me guess...is it AMD processor? >> >> >I had the same problem. But as soon as I disabled external >> >> cache in BIOS, >> >> it >> >> >worked just fine. You might want to try that... >> >> >Tell me if it helps. >> >> >Andrei. >> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: Kerry Davis [mailto:kedavis@uswest.net] >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:34 PM >> >> >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >> >Subject: make world crashing repeatedly >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >What causes Fatal Signal 27 and Fatal Signal 26 during "make >> >> world?" I >> >> >haven't been able to find ANY information on the problem. >> >> > >> >> >My first attempt to cvsup from 4.1 to Stable seemed to be >> >> okay, everything >> >> >apparently was ftp'd successfully over my DSL connection. >> >> but "make world" >> >> >died after about 7 hours, with the "fatal signal 27" >> >> message. no other >> >> >explanation given. >> >> > >> >> >following that, I did "make clean" as someone suggested, and >> >> tried "make >> >> >world" again. that time, it ran for about 12 hours, and >> >> died with "fatal >> >> >signal 26" showing "cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 >> >> got fatal >> >> >signal 26" then "error code 1" and "stop in >> >> >/usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/libunix" followed by "stop in" and >> >> "error code 1" >> >> >again for each level up: /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp, then >> >> >/usr/src/gnu/libexec, then /usr/src/gnu, then /usr/src >> >> > >> >> >any suggestions? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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