From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jun 29 21:44:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from team7.cba (team7.cba.ualr.edu [144.167.120.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB18154DD for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@team7.cba.ualr.edu) Received: from access2.mod1.ualr.edu (IDENT:joe@access2.mod1.ualr.edu [144.167.7.2]) by team7.cba (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01570; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:44:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joe@team7.cba.ualr.edu) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:45:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe X-Sender: joe@njal.ualr.edu To: Matt Curtin Cc: Andrew Johns , Evan Brastow , Joe Konecny , FreeBSD List Subject: RE: internet monitoring In-Reply-To: <14201.39614.894204.317631@strangepork.interhack.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Matt Curtin wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:56:33 +1000, > "Andrew Johns" said: > > We're well off-topic now, but I can't think of a good place to have > this conversation. :-) > Yes there is, it's called freebsd-chat. Please move this thread there. > Andrew> I'm being the devil's advocate here a bit, I might add.. > > Always useful to have one of those around... ;-) > > Andrew> The personnel dept cannot enforce any disciplinary action > Andrew> without evidence. > > Neither can someone sue successfully without evidence. > > Andrew> Assuming that you are the boss in a > Andrew> company, how will you answer the lawyer that asks you what > Andrew> evidence you have to backup your claim that the person you > Andrew> fired was spending company time (your money) surfing > Andrew> inappropriate sites? > > You don't dismiss someone for looking at "naughty" sites. Or reading > cnn.com. You might dismiss someone for being unproductive, in which > case your evidence is the work that has been produced, or its > absence. You might also dismiss someone on the grounds that they have > been a source of sexual harassment, in which case the HR department, > when dealing with the matter, would have a record of the events. > > I advocate treating employees like people. Like adults. You explain > what you expect from them, they explain what they expect of you. If > the two decide to work together, both must live up to the bargain. If > one doesn't, the other says something about it. If it's bad enough, > you severl the relationship. It's that simple. It really is. > > You are paying for your connection to the Internet in order to conduct > business. And you're paying for it during "off-hours", too, so why > not let your employees use the tool for their own edification (maybe > they're reading etexts, Usenet FAQs, etc.) or pleasure (so who cares > if they're playing MUDs when they're not working?) if they like? > > -- > Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message