From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 21 15:09:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3562387C7 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48PFHg1sfLz48Z3 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.117.217]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MqJZl-1jqXYm0MxH-00nNHJ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:09:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:09:38 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: "Joe A." , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200221160938.e35b4ca4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <20200221010421.GA54290@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <20200221055139.GA969@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rqq1qIMR+hpmyHU0hif7p7qOmR4FQOsIEU7NX6EBjQiINYve3jt qnW2WObD7ZqTBRjDypuND6Pxa5pNo83dxCFG6PinHjE4QrmHDPKd2VRzIYacw+YdFIdNvwY vmmIG/VKy6KtPVRpJXDpHJgD0zxmjpprwC0CxdOUoJ759oySJv9KN+cEluTdZK3LP3MpNi8 S0kWstVGywYxxsaThf0WA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BWpBh2kRAHk=:bx5E0bSLnKCDIRj7Q8ZVGI xQ/1wSsuYqcNRj/YVGjoPBGmGGx8+VGt1qw+PXXkflY6xzyc3CnR+peSvLHf0r4+4DbnGfzXk Ven4w38Vy4C+p91sJPq9IOGGF6nwj/EGiXDHxsPUlC/DZ3dselRtRjPT6xWF5Qd15IALSLIUS L7nAf+34LQ7jgHTzilnFbQDZs6Q3xg87b8EQuR894fLrjjxuBgvwj1NzCgPEGoqbaMlM4wR2L 6rFlbhxcW+40784N4AZQ3G0GYCbltO/UFEIJys4Vdu6ZDNzw195enT1a+GkH4o0XCdwHlDbw6 F+xhKGtnfKq7Z7WJzkrxktVapcXhj/aWLUrYa6LE3HyiOSLNwq+KdnEOURFAGL0yALVsV1ph+ 1X5paBKVfl2d5gIAy+h5pczd6SqFM11gZ/jTVbKc7fm4d/1MAV3MIDvHXUXDBALu3NpeQALhl BD0colgQHFCfLuifiNNe4WIQQXwys4UJA942CR9+NtYvsa64kTAyMF2jpB9Gph4Q9NmyrAcza gg4cnMr2sT7p505TEAYh03HpmNSlYTG0Yozu0bL+JJZVYn2BjdSehtR7h+pJ2CjavNBjOEPVy duMpdyYv0vipBbtm+aq1htP97HPfN59MkGu1Renkegwt3YtxiWD2Yi8gWMmqO8fWL70XWPB5a +BgxicKXwZmihEseLXoc+QIhz6G/E9oSBjQNwlQzNLSiulJmHVchwSZiY38b4QQx+1UGuCBEw g+JKzpAmhMQpwddjwREBOc8TuHOHndd2wZMrf7lDD7nZW7NoeMnJdY2LjdE2vAshDxKgAt2vI 6LvnFdJUPW8ypR5PXQ7jRukkYI9jnbHWijhfzxmRYVniPUKogswHAulHLWnvjE2x3UJyyZw X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PFHg1sfLz48Z3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.93 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[217.117.12.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.996,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.54)[ip: (0.18), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.34), asn: 8560(2.19), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:09:52 -0000 On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:14:09 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > This is exactly the reason why I have switched from nVidia to AMD > RADEON and planning no return!! > > Because nVidia does not provide documentation nor support to > Open-Source, only binary blobs, you start to think that their drivers > are the best because "they just work"^TM. Nothing more misleading! > > nVidia seems to have no respect in the Open-Source community. I was > also astonished with that being their 20 years long loyal customer. > > When you look at the true Open-Source drivers, you will notice they > are poor and you cannot really do anything more with nVidia than just > display. Exactly my impression. While there are several (I think, 3) open source nVidia drivers, all of them have problems. Some just offer 3D graphics, others won't work in 64 bit OS mode, and others just freeze when being loaded. The binary blob is the only way to get proper 3D support. > Open-Source RADEON drivers in general are by some considered even > better than binary blobs provided by AMD. Interesting. This seems to be a "ride back to the past" where ATI (which was the typical brand name of the Radeon-type GPUs at that time) was always superior to nVidia: 3D support out of the box, with the standard drivers included with X. Then there was a time where nVidia was considered better than ATI / AMD (again, judging from the binary blob driver!), and today, AMD using the open source drivers seems to be the way to go. > Here comes the development of DRM layer that is something brand new in > FreeBSD that will support all new GPU in a truly Open-Source fashion > (but hey where does that firmware comes from??). Don't ask the firmware question. Don't ask _any_ questions going below the visibility level. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...