From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 19 21:29:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37ACD37B405 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 92481 invoked by uid 100); 20 Apr 2002 04:29:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15552.61092.139031.719884@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:29:24 -0500 To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <20020419181021.X18267-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> References: <20020419225855.E7E575D05@ptavv.es.net> <20020419181021.X18267-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020419181021.X18267-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com>, Doug Barton typed: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I really hate to see the suggestion that people copy files from > > /etc/defaults to /etc. This really breaks the paradigm of having only > > changes in defaults in /etc so that defaults can be changed with a > > normal system update. > But that was never the paradigm. There are a few different ideas > about why the defaults file should exist (none of which I'm particularly > fond of, btw) but silently changing defaults out from under the users > isn't really all that good of an idea, no matter how well intentioned it > might be. Note that copying /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf does *not* fix this problem. Any name changes in the defaults file will cause your system to revert to the default behavior if you don't catch it, whether you change that behavior or not. Sure, such changes are rare - but so are changes in the default behavior. So it's really a tossup whether making the copy will save you pain or not. Given that, I prefer to keep /etc/rc.conf short. That also means I like the changes, as it means /etc/rc.conf lists every network service started from the base system. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message