From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 20:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE965106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A072D8FC19 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57Kj7lY061181; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.023 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.023 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.154, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: <1C8F6344-4D0B-415C-895C-549A0B4F9C05@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: <20080605155340.GA51833@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:45:00 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <48472DB6.5030909@samsco.org> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <200806050248.59229.max@love2party.net> <20080605083907.GD1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <902E9703E6E50776A17E9F92@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080605155340.GA51833@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:45:19 -0000 On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > So he should at least be able to name the relevant PRs. > Or name at least one. Then nobody would complain. I'm sure somebody would complain ;-) but yeah, valid. Unfortunately I was on my 3rd day of less than 3 hours sleep and had to leave in less than 9 hours from my post, with 12 hours of work to do before then. I really honestly didn't have the time. I wanted to hold the post until I returned, but last time I did that I got dozens of accusations of sitting on it and speaking sooner, etc etc. I was hoping in my wishes-were-horses brain that someone would provide some insight into the issues that made obsoleting 6.2 a good idea, so that on my return I could determine how best to focus my efforts. > But stating "it's all well documented" without providing evidence > doesn't help. I for one was not able to find any open PRs that > deal specifically with 3ware hardware and 6.3, but not 6.[0-2]. ... > Agreed, but he should name the PRs he's referring to. > You know, my crystal ball is at the shop for a check, and > it seems like everybody else's is, too. Because focusing on the specifics never helps with policy issues. Every time I raise a policy issue and someone asks for specific bugs relevant, I answer them and the overall policy issue degrades into the merits of the specific problem, and usually into insults from people who don't understand why I don't replace X piece of hardware. The overall policy question gets lost. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness