From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 13:20:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636C1A47C1B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 476A31EC3 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u5GDKDuH067800 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) To: In-Reply-To: References: <7c39e5ac-3ed7-f19a-e175-d27af07eea47@delphij.net> <5fc80d8ee559336a657514b3f2ec2a33@ultimatedns.net> , From: "Chris H" Subject: Re: [CFT] ypldap testing against OpenLDAP and Microsoft Active Directory Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:20:19 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:20:19 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:03:55 -0400 Nikolai Lifanov wrote > On 06/14/2016 21:05, Marcelo Araujo wrote: > > 2016-06-15 8:17 GMT+08:00 Chris H : > > > >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:55:58 +0800 Marcelo Araujo > >> wrote > >> > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> Thanks for the CFT Craig. > >>> > >>> 2016-06-09 14:41 GMT+08:00 Xin Li : > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 6/8/16 23:10, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have worked with Marcelo Araujo to port OpenBSD's ypldap to FreeBSD > >>>>> current. > >>>>> > >>>>> In latest current, it should be possible to put in /etc/rc.conf: > >>>>> > >>>>> nis_ypldap_enable="YES" > >>>>> to activate the ypldap daemon. > >>>>> > >>>>> When set up properly, it should be possible to log into FreeBSD, and > >> have > >>>>> the backend password database come from an LDAP database such > >>>>> as OpenLDAP > >>>>> > >>>>> There is some documentation for setting this up, but it is OpenBSD > >>>> specific: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://obfuscurity.com/2009/08/OpenBSD-as-an-LDAP-Client > >>>>> http://puffysecurity.com/wiki/ypldap.html#2 > >>>>> > >>>>> I did not bother porting the OpenBSD LDAP server to FreeBSD, so that > >>>>> information > >>>>> does not apply. I figure that openldap from ports should work fine. > >>>>> > >>>>> I was wondering if there is someone out there familiar enough with > >> LDAP > >>>>> and has a setup they can test this stuff out with, provide feedback, > >> and > >>>>> help > >>>>> improve the documentation for FreeBSD? > >>>> > >>>> Looks like it would be a fun weekend project. I've cc'ed a potential > >>>> person who may be interested in this as well. > >>>> > >>>> But will this worth the effort? (I think the current implementation > >>>> would do everything with plaintext protocol over wire, so while it > >>>> extends life for legacy applications that are still using NIS/YP, it > >>>> doesn't seem to be something that we should recommend end user to use?) > >>>> > >>> > >>> I can see two good point to use ypldap that would be basically for users > >>> that needs to migrate from NIS to LDAP or need to make some integration > >>> between legacy(NIS) and LDAP during a transition period to LDAP. > >>> > >>> As mentioned, NIS is 'plain text' not safe by its nature, however there > >> are > >>> still lots of people out there using NIS, and ypldap(8) is a good tool to > >>> help these people migrate to a more safe tool like LDAP. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>> I would also be interested in hearing from someone who can see if > >>>>> ypldap can work against a Microsoft Active Directory setup? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> > >>> All my tests were using OpenLDAP, I used the OpenBSD documentation to > >> setup > >>> everything, and the file share/examples/ypldap/ypldap.conf can be a good > >>> start to anybody that wants to start to work with ypldap(8). > >>> > >>> Would be nice hear from other users how was their experience using ypldap > >>> with MS Active Directory and perhaps some HOWTO how they made all the > >> setup > >>> would be amazing to have. > >>> > >>> Also, would be useful to know who are still using NIS and what kind of > >>> setup(user case), maybe even the reason why they are still using it. > >> > >> Honestly, I think the best way to motivate people to do the right > >> thing(tm) Would be to remove Yellow Pages from the tree, entirely. :-) > >> It's been dead for *years*, and as you say, isn't safe, anyway.. > >> > > > > Yes, I have a plan for that, but I don't believe it will happens before > > FreeBSD 12-RELEASE. > > > > Please don't, at least for now. NIS is fast, simple, reliable, and works > on first boot without additional software. I have passwords in > Kerberos, so the usual cons doesn't apply. This is very valuable to me. > > It's not hurting anyone. What's the motivation behind removing it? In all honesty, my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But from a purely maintenance POV, at this point in time. I think the Yellow Pages are better suited for the ports tree, than in $BASE. --Chris > > > > >> > >> --Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> -- > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Marcelo Araujo (__)araujo@FreeBSD.org