From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 19 15:17:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFE25BB for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from anacreon.physics.wisc.edu (unknown [IPv6:2607:f388:101c:0:216:cbff:fe39:3fae]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536948FC16 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from anacreon.physics.wisc.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by anacreon.physics.wisc.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9JFGxeT071065 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:16:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <50816EEB.8080207@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:16:59 -0500 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD powerpc; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing firewire support from GENERIC References: <86ehkufsj9.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86ehkufsj9.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:17:00 -0000 On 10/19/12 09:25, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Firewire is > > - a significant security risk > - an obstacle to functining suspend / resume on many systems > - rapidly becoming obsolete > - available as a module > > The attached patch removes it from GENERIC across the board. Any > serious objections before I commit it to head? > > DES (e) is still quite useful and something I expect to have Just Work on any modern operating system The only reason I think this makes sense is because of the suspend/resume bugs. This is otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, a serious POLA violation. That said, I thought the same thing about removing sbp(4) from GENERIC and there is not too much point in having firewire without sbp. -Nathan