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Date:      Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:35:25 -0500
From:      Dan Nelson <dnelson@allantgroup.com>
To:        Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Cc:        Kaya Saman <kayasaman@gmail.com>, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Anyone using freebsd ZFS for large storage servers?
Message-ID:  <20120601153525.GA16874@dan.emsphone.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1206011703450.3457@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
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In the last episode (Jun 01), Wojciech Puchar said:
> > and unbelievable narrow cases, when you don't have or can't access a
> > backup (which you should have even when using ZFS), and you _need_ to do
> > some forensic analysis on disks, ZFS seems to be a worse solution than
> > UFS.  On ZFS, you never can predict where the data will go.  Add several
> > disks to
> 
> true. in UFS for example inodes are at known place, and flat structure
> instead of "tree" is used.
> 
> even if some sectors are overwritten with garbage then fsck can scan over
> inodes and recover all that can be recovered.
> 
> ZFS is somehow in that part similar to Amiga "Fast" File System. when you
> overwrite a directory block (by hardware fault for example), everything
> below that directory will disappear.  You may not be even aware of it
> until you need that data

On the other hand, even on a single-disk pool, ZFS stores two copies of all
metadata, so the chances of actually losing a directory block are extremely
remote.  On mirrored or RAIDZ pools, you have at least four copies of all
metadata.

-- 
	Dan Nelson
	dnelson@allantgroup.com



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