From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 16:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB1316A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E09F43D2F for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:05:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A3FB0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.63.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1IG52YS086013; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:05:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1IG61P7002787; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1IG61dQ010592; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200502181606.j1IG61dQ010592@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Sander Vesik Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:06:01 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: Assuming We Want FreeBSD to Grow: Who Is It For? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:05:06 -0000 Sander Vesik wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:12:26 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Sander Vesik wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:33:22 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > > > Much hot air on advocacy@ does not qualify. Let's > > > > - Tell people to move to chat@freebsd.org. > > > > - Report offenders to postmaster@freebsd.org for blocking. > > > > - Request postmaster@freebsd.org appends to list definition: > > > > "Not for arguing about what FreeBSD is or where it should go." > > > > (developers on current@ etc, are unpaid, & advocacy@ people > > > > have no right to direct what FreeBSD is & will be.) > > > > > > I think its hould be slightly more openly worded - for example, > > > discussions (i mean rational discussions with technical details) of > > > what FreeBSD is may be in some warranted - consider for example > > > producing materials to promote the use of FreeBSD in embedded systems > > > or similar. > > > > OK, fine. Could you (or someone else) please suggest exact words to > > replace current http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > Furthering the Use of FreeBSD. Share ideas and plan to > > increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD. > > Once a number of us back a tighter list definition, we can send > > it to postmaster@freebsd.org to request it be the official list definition. > > .. & then use it to tell windy people to go to chat@ or be blocked off list. > > Thanks > > How about something along the lines of: > > Furthering the Use of FreeBSD. Share ideas and plan to increase > the number of > companies and individuals using FreeBSD. Discussion of the > technical, govrenance > or policy aspects of FreeBSD, its community and development > should only happen > for clarifying said details for some document being written. > > ? The wording probably needs some more polish though. If brief is beautiful :-) ... Instead of current http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy how about inserting: To promote FreeBSD by supporting external advocacy. Not for advocating change within FreeBSD, for which use eg: `send-pr`, current@, www@, webmaster@, chat@. If people could support that ? It could limit the windy. - Julian Stacey Net & Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii (Html=Spam). Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz.