From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 23 14:59:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02891065696; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@buffalo.edu) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localmail.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B018FC22; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B9FED2F3D; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A029A6; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.239]) by localmailB.acsu.buffalo.edu (Prefixe) with ESMTP id 033D92E95; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) by mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B3C207A9; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Smith To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20100922222441.00002f27@unknown> References: <201009211507.o8LF7iVv097676@svn.freebsd.org> <4C9A1602.4020204@freebsd.org> <1285169017.64197.29.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <201009221558.27393.jhb@freebsd.org> <4C9A6EE6.5050301@freebsd.org> <20100922222441.00002f27@unknown> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3A6k1mQFOC+28WuonU2M" Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:58:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1285253887.95760.33.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 8% Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, John Baldwin , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon , Gavin Atkinson , svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r212964 - head/sys/kern X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:59:11 -0000 --=-3A6k1mQFOC+28WuonU2M Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:24 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:02:30 +0300 > Andriy Gapon wrote: >=20 > > But what was the reason that dumpdev=3D"AUTO" was reverted? > > I remember that POLA was quoted at the time. > > I am not sure what the astonishment actually was - perhaps 'AUTO' was > > not smart enough and destroyed somebody's data? > >=20 >=20 > The problem with "AUTO" is that it takes time to do the dump unless > using textdumps; it also has the potential of failing and leaving the > system unusable until someone resets it. I believe the argument was > that for production servers you want the system to be up and running > again as soon as possible after a crash.=20 >=20 I'm (extremely!) sympathetic with people wanting to make it easier to get debugging information in PRs and that sort of thing. But just so you know - unless I hear otherwise I'll be continuing to try to remember to flip it off as the stable branches get created. The issues talked about so far all contribute to the reason for that. But one of the more basic gut reactions to it all is that the users want to be interested in helping with the debugging (even if just providing the requested info) for any sort of crash information to be useful. And at the point we shift something from -current to -stable the percentage of people actively interested in participating in that sort of stuff flip. The bulk of people using -current know it's risky and they do it out of some interest in debugging stuff. The *bulk* of people using -stable are less interested or flat out not interested. And have no clue what crash dumps are, may be challenged to notice partition-getting-full issues, etc. I'm open to having my mind changed about this if there is enough push-back. Just saying I'm not there yet. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-3A6k1mQFOC+28WuonU2M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkybau8ACgkQ/G14VSmup/adhwCdEPdurdcRqfpLCuMKzQX8TuP5 BecAn25cOvpqh1t9VMh2prMpV0LHXDek =vGKa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3A6k1mQFOC+28WuonU2M--