From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 16 12:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19697 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.57.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19651 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (5.65/Eos/C-U-09Sep93) id AA10880; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:52:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9704161952.AA10880@thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: On Holy Wars, and a Plea for Peace [sorry Danny, wherever...] To: kpneal@pobox.com (Kevin P. Neal) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970416190304.00923e8c@mindspring.com> from "Kevin P. Neal" at Apr 16, 97 03:03:04 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ background about Red Hat's troubles with their 4.0 distribution deleted] %The solution? Well, they donated the 4.0 stock to NCSU's Comp Sci department. % %This was a month ago. The CDs are gone now. ...and now a group of computer science students have a double CD with a broken distribution of a normally, pretty good OS, including numerous, widely known and easily exploitable security holes, and other various bugs, some worse than others. Was there any documentation handed out with these CD's describing these holes? Nope, just a pointer in the manual (that won't be read, BTW) to the web page. (Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but think about the type of people to whom the offer was made available.) I think the idea of handing out CD's (or making them more affordable, or something similar) is fantastic; however, let's not just hand out CD's with broken software on it. Your point about the hardware your average freshman brings on campus with him/her in the fall is much more valid, though... *shudder* Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@catt.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Head Systems Administrator, Computer and Technologies Theme Program North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina