From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 18 18:38:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AD4106566C for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8E98FC0A for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so1325128gxk.3 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:38:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=w+PKVFuo8h496PolDvEtYGxDjgw6uJe1Nsda4NL3GZI=; b=IXJuxQ4Es3jlmUjTiU380LARPFbelPs0BpGpyjhkZ+FokBOIwZxV+3GuzDZinStPUt MLhJNfW/awYgOEnhA9q43dDP7a+nx5RZVHKukM1XPHGzSoTtRHMeAVi3f8v4//pRN8Hn h13V3zJBNp3ALEnjNxNol+MIrMhiYywQPk/sQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=ghapI3BPWbFyZw9yQvlj08JWrhd48zB67AGX9Hb7FKMbrYmLv1m8EBASKXsXdSRe/U Far6gQ4eTwhSeZtedT+E/uNJN1vab6VOnjhgSUXvcU7efoaXr7H9spb2vaCBcynpTefF IslFnGrS0oNX2keWRBrbjLW9+T8qdZy8gfWks= Received: by 10.100.233.35 with SMTP id f35mr683679anh.41.1258569518991; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ([190.177.192.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm97968ywe.41.2009.11.18.10.38.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:38:35 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200911181638.35675.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: WITHOUT_TELNET=yes .. does it work? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:38:40 -0000 On Wednesday 18 November 2009 3:05:00 pm b. f. wrote: > >On 18 Nov 2009, at 14:01, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > >> Robert Watson writes: > >>> Olivier Smedts writes: > >>>> But someone (you, me...) can file a PR to add them to OLD_FILES > >>>> when WITHOUT_TELNET is set to yes, like it's done for some other > >>>> WITHOUT_ options. > >>> > >>> If it's done for other WITHOUT_ options, it's not obvious to me. > >> > >> tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc > >> > >> Poor placement IMHO, we shouldn't have dependencies from src into > >> tools. > > > >Its obscure location explains why it doesn't work. :-) Maybe it > > Not altogether: it works fine, for those knobs that developers have > seen fit to support in the file. The problem is that some developers > neglect it entirely. > > >should be src/OptionalFiles.inc? That said, it still sounds like a > > >significant maintenance problem to me: we have a lot of >WITHOUT_ > > options, and they may have non-trivial interactions... > > Being aware of what is built, and what is installed, is part of > maintaining the base system > is little more than writing down information that developers should > already have determined if they are properly supporting the various > base system knobs. =20 +10 > Along with the knobs, it's very useful to those=20 > of us who want to remove unneeded parts of the base system, and I > wish it was more conscientiously maintained. Let's not exaggerate > the difficulties involved in doing so. +10 > For the fellow who was concerned about removing his SSH port: yes, > it's something to consider. But you are not obliged to run make > delete-old[-libs], and even if you do want to run it, you can do so > without defining WITHOUT_SSH. > > Regards, > b. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi