From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 09:32:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19436F6 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mauzo@anubis.morrow.me.uk) Received: from isis.morrow.me.uk (isis.morrow.me.uk [204.109.63.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFEC8FC15 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from anubis.morrow.me.uk (host109-150-211-97.range109-150.btcentralplus.com [109.150.211.97]) (Authenticated sender: mauzo) by isis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31F1F4504E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:24:02 +0000 (UTC) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 isis.morrow.me.uk 31F1F4504E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=morrow.me.uk; s=dkim201101; t=1353921843; bh=/I618PQJTNMnc+lzc/peKTIXKFqFLur+pb1Z+1yfAX8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=T79CBcONTvZ1YRijov+pRrBlHw6B9rLInYP/fCYFoWVsGMRgJb5bEBUmOdvV1iAqQ HJdNPhIDAGzk86j5V8G6JeRdhWZ5oa3Hwh/pYweNDAl02xA/YYAdnKLeoyKTZ2RCvA hGe5UG2cQcljyRD21le4k1l9Pn1gMGkk/tEUdu7k= X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at isis.morrow.me.uk Received: by anubis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix, from userid 5001) id D74266BFD; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:23:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:23:59 +0000 From: Ben Morrow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1 Message-ID: <20121126092355.GA6214@anubis.morrow.me.uk> References: <50A7DEE7.8090802@netfence.it> <50b3151d.T/yqv0fC2duSYEm9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.stable Organization: morrow.me.uk User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:52 -0000 Quoth Chris Rees : > On 26 Nov 2012 08:12, "Perry Hutchison" wrote: > > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > ... don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long ... > > > It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect > > > it will be going away sooner than had been planned. > > > > Once csup goes away, how will a base-only system update > > the sources, e.g. to follow a security branch? > > freebsd-update will update your sources for you. It would be convenient if, before csup disappears, the 'Sychronising your Source' section in the Handbook could be updated to contain instructions for updating *just the source* using freebsd-update. Even if this is as simple as 'Components src' it would be good to state that explicitly; it would also be useful to give a procedure for moving from a csupped tree to one which freebsd-update will be able to apply deltas to, if that's possible without redownloading the whole source tree. In general, it's not terribly clear to me what will happen if I run freebsd-update on a system I have built from source. How does it know where to start from when it downloads deltas: does it assume `uname -r` accurately reflects the exact current state of the system? What will happen if I patch my source and then run freebsd-update without reverting those changes: will it revert them for me, like csup did, will it make a mess, or will the update fail? It would also be better, IMHO, to change the language in that section to recommend freebsd-update for those running RELEASE branches, and reserve the svn recommendation for those tracking development branches. Ben