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From: "Michael C. Vergallen" <mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be>
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To: Studded <Studded@gorean.org>
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Jeremy Nelson <jnelson@acronet.net>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG,
"Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable
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Just to say that the support for voxware should not be dropped. I think
that keeping the two available should not cause any problems. Poeple will
use what they like, if they got the choice.
Michael
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Studded wrote:
> "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:
>
> > Precisely. Having two separate sound drivers is simply confusing and
> > increases the amount of cruft in the tree.
>
> Ok, let me get this straight. Things like xten and qcam stay IN the
> tree, in spite of,
>
> 1) They are broken, and/or work in only a limited number of cases.
> 2) In the case of qcam can actually cause kernel panics.
> 3) Are only relevant to an extremely small subset of potential freebsd
> customers.
>
> Yet you plan to yank the voxware driver in spite of,
>
> 1) It works just fine, in fact it does more that luigi's alternative.
> 2) Is perfectly safe.
> 3) Supports a HUGE installed base of sound cards.
>
> And your logic for this is that it's confusing and adds to bloat? With
> all of the other useless, antiquated, nonsense that's in the tree now
> your answer is to delete something that works?
>
> > Furthermore, if those who
> > have complained so far would put even a tenth of the amount of effort
> > into helping Luigi add MIDI and FM support to the new driver, we
> > wouldn't even be having this little conversation.
>
> I was one of the first people to adopt the new driver in -Stable, and
> in fact I helped debug the problems with it in -Stable and I still use
> it. I don't need midi or synth support, so I'm not motivated to help add
> support for either, but if someone else does add it I will be glad to
> test it on my humble, 4 year old original SB 16. On the other hand, I AM
> strongly motivated by stupid management decisions.
>
> You've had about a dozen responses from people who are saying, "I use
> the voxware driver and I'd miss it if there were no suitable
> replacement." Given that most of the people who will be affected by this
> decision aren't reading the lists, you should consider that an
> overwhelming reason not to nuke voxware. I tried to be polite with this
> observation in my previous post, but your argument that, "If I delete
> voxware which works and people like then they will work on pcm instead"
> simply cannot go past without comment.
>
> While I can't code a new sound driver, I will be happy to use my
> documentation skills to help with keeping the two seperate drivers less
> "confusing" if anyone's interested. Just point me at what needs
> clarification.
>
> Doug
> --
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>
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>
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