From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 20:21:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBFAFFB63D for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BE18ECBC for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id j13so1024393ual.0 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:21:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rgbDgsqLEzDX1FLEujh197ceWBfJWb19PT+pq9SjjaU=; b=jkufZn7NnMnpllCbMGHnaGre/hrBa/L3k40Ae0dBJmqvp5o7gm/CCCIFenrS5vS/og XLFJQMS441xR7kymRmuYKIw2EHs6R1FTC6zMtGWqSipQ/OebWv9vDBR7YLUJ4V3zBnZH xvd0sG0I8EgpYmVMJiD2x+F7bQVzQ5tUtpc9UMU6sKd8633g4b3SpIPkveroqxvBJlIM e5MFk65lW/+BKYky8Q5PJWxR6dJIxOerz31KmiX4wF0T2OKL5SoASWH+yoKH7Em+nfGj NPwR0kYevRXpnJX7TA/k0XjZQVvcof7AYqo9RajKNNPNLXXyIhJ9NBW/t4ZAL/2EdoH4 OeWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rgbDgsqLEzDX1FLEujh197ceWBfJWb19PT+pq9SjjaU=; b=G73fwlKweef3wvlPlufwc8qKT8ycLzH/lzLfHuPGs/8stl+lHZo40MrNcqshOgkmaT fWYMR+6nKkJfm/w90eP48J6vA4GDA22G7MTTje9neoTi1G9aoIjsuKFQ9DZvbJDVMnjN mJ3y4S7Hjc1Ap5gPhx0LrTy5mszafIYRAAw6wxPWPTvYUmyz/cf94PEUp1ErWBdgVB2V RDwjJJcn5XV4P1r+G39V4hvu6wCWoqek3WFDju30nGtN8kyrfD/zjWKXS+OLzrgArE25 mE9IGvr9vuh89h9z+XFSid0A122lyVa8U2kUzmwxb6hD0OKrUvfZtN4fboNOgCgyig5i q+Yg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohiHn+sZBVz7j+cISj4312kUuPY3Ipq+hOJJigzJWv8o16ho2WF rtEjPJU9z+5kOx/BHzVn5Ezk/V6EC22bJHGYh7m/gb2M X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV618+q7dLbQgP/isggCrUIvfjXI0AvZXRr2G/+N6f606N2Znp/T4FTaiHS7XRzRUEQ8O1E0uEqoQXElaMvWPdkI= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:14a4:: with SMTP id d33mr21661517uae.41.1540326118303; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:21:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201810231948.w9NJmYlC078288@fire.js.berklix.net> <201810232013.w9NKDOQC023342@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201810232013.w9NKDOQC023342@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:21:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , Stefan Esser , "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 -0000 On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:13 PM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > A cost(=time)/benefit look on moving ctm from src/ to ports/ : > > - No tangible architecture benefit (its not like purging an old driver > > to makes kernel support simpler, or avoiding clashing libs etc) > > - FreeBSD would shrink 0.028 % of the size of src/ > > cd /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src > > du -s -k . # 1223922 > > du -s -k `find . -type d -name \*ctm\*` > > 196 ./usr.sbin/ctm > > 74 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm > > 12 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_dequeue > > 44 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail > > 18 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_smail > > dc 196 74 12 44 18 + + + + p 344 > > dc 344000000000 1223922 / p 281063 # then move 9 points > > xcalc 344 / 1223922 # 0.0002810636 > > > > Those who would do the work might want to ponder if 0.028 % is best use > of > > their time, or if more fun & benefit to work on some other part of > FreeBSD ? > > At the most/least we should not go very far, > the only thing that needs done soon is a gonein(13) commited > to head and MFC'ed to stable/12 by thursday. > > All the other details should wait until a depreication policy > revision is completed that includes how to deal with this. > There's no reason at all to wait. We can create the port. We can create the github repo. We can move the history there. We won't be removing it before we have a chance to socialize the removal and give people a chance to cut over. None of this requires a new policy. Everybody agrees we should do it. We shouldn't let some perceived policy get in the way of just moving forward. Warner