From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jun 23 21:53: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDB637B405 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from momerath@softhome.net) Received: from 207-172-73-45.s45.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.73.45] helo=softhome.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15E1tK-00054D-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:52:59 -0400 Received: (from momerath@localhost) by softhome.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f5O5uDt23356 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:56:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from momerath) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:54:56 -0500 From: mome-rath To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010624005456.A23293@rcn.com> References: <15155.29806.145760.832648@guru.mired.org><4.3.2.7.2.20010623150807.034a09a0@24.0.95.106> <15157.11221.593513.478892@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> <001201c0fc46$f553e440$0408a8c0@kiste> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <001201c0fc46$f553e440$0408a8c0@kiste>; from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net on Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 02:45:24AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 02:45:24AM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > You make some very good points. For you, like 99% of Linux users, you > > are better off never attempting to cvsup or to track stable. > > [...] > > I just like to say that my experience with tracking stable is quite > positive. I installed FreeBSD 4.2-Release with the boot floppies and a > openssh clients like the 2.9pl1 in Linux Mandrake) doing a > Release-2-Stable & and a Stable-2-Stable upgrade from source has been a > breeze, thanks to the guidance of /usr/src/UPDATING and the FreeBSD > Handbook (and the FAQ for explaining kern_securelevel and it's impact on > file flags). All this updating from source at least never left me without > a root filesystem when booting a new kernel (as did Linux Mandrake 7.2 I've never had a problem tracking and building stable resulting in an unbootable or generally unusable system. There was the one and only time I tried making installworld in the recommended way, via single-user init level and the system spontaneously rebooted. But, otherwise, no problems at all. Even for a period of time when I was cvsuping and making the world every day... which ended immediately after I got that month's electricity bill. Good god damn, I'm obscenely lucky, aren't I. Wait a minute... I SEE NO SUPER MODEL SEX KITTEN ON MY BED!@#$ It must be FreeBSD, not my luck. > kernel). IMHO, the FreeBSD stable sourcetree and also the ports & packages > collection are in such a good shape that they don't need to fear any > comparison with rpm or deb based Linux distributions. Hey, even Windows NT When a port doesn't work for me, I cvsup the ports tree and it's fixed or someone on stable has said they're fixing the problem presently and it's fine the next day. It's all a wonderful dream. Better than kittens or ice cream or puppies or rainbows. > & 2000 boxen have been reported to break after installing a Service Pack, > after all. Windows service packs are on the same level as medieval alchemy. 600 years from now, science will find a way to make windows secure and stable. Not only that, but cloning will be perfected and posterity won't be left with the horrible prospect of a world without Carrot Top and Rob Schneider. -- disclaimer: vodka. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message