From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 16 01:46:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7870F932; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C4D47A8; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 01:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (50-196-156-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.156.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5G1kkCv091760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <557F8001.4020401@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 09:46:41 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Cooper CC: Adrian Chadd , Craig Rodrigues , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <20150614002640.GA2746@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <557E4C3D.5080602@freebsd.org> <2CFE8F01-98B8-403C-BE1F-57D6F2368BE3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2CFE8F01-98B8-403C-BE1F-57D6F2368BE3@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 01:46:54 -0000 On 6/15/15 1:34 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Jun 14, 2015, at 20:53, Julian Elischer wrote: > >> On 6/14/15 10:48 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> On 13 June 2015 at 18:22, Craig Rodrigues wrote: >>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>>>> I guarantee that no matter what you've worked on, there's >>>>>> approximately five orders of magnitude of shipping devices whose >>>>>> entire storage space can be measured in 1 digit megabytes. Each year. >>>>> (And yes - there's an appreciable set of them for which freebsd boots, >>>>> runs and keeps running on them.0 >>>>> >>>>> You can buy em too, some of them even under $60. >>>> Can FreeBSD now not run on these systems because of libxo? >>> It's a tight squeeze as it is. Running in 8MB of flash (even if it's >>> compressed) is still an exercise in "what can you cut out." >>> >>> My point isn't that it isn't running because of libxo; my point is >>> that arguing about "embedded" involving "lots of storage" is woefully >>> incorrect and will continue to be until those gigabytes of storage are >>> available for a penny. Which yes, I'm guessing will happen in my >>> career - but it's also quite likely code bloat will continue to chase >>> that upward. >> do we have a WITHOUT_LIBXO option on sources? I believe we should.. > +1. I would be more than happy to implement it by stubbing out the majority of the macros to something less invasive, but it might be a bit before I do that. > Thanks, but that wouldn't remove the bloat within the apps.. just make it use null calls.