From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 21:20:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C5C2DE62E for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 21:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x144.google.com (mail-lf1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tx8P5JDcz3ScH for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 21:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x144.google.com with SMTP id a4so8471692lfh.12 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=YRWygoc+sohm2LUrRv4wdFdJIxQy3HiV5AcP3XQRob4=; b=RTcO2eP8msIffaGkD9BFjjXtOw8//YZN0XWNVutmMGlU1wwR9CBa0WjvuAaEr6SYL4 JVd16R2gwZLaiEKBtR4zGDET/PPmR7he65xrwEwCPcjYtzTUPurzgji6vGAOXzpS9TPO PvFbtBCZnLNLxGPDvJUp27DaBcn3XvQ3VRsLtKx2c7yg1FlUMAYupoZXNoPaCcZTZBb+ f0WQD7u13FXP26eC92XLTc6xXJT8h/n38eSOozUcRmjis3iSM+eR6hi1nb9Zc1o73Bg8 G474ZJO8XbtX3YMfe+NPh7gicPyvskK7tSf/9QO937BaV1PrPkT9N6Ok81xZBn2ePiso LUrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YRWygoc+sohm2LUrRv4wdFdJIxQy3HiV5AcP3XQRob4=; b=WJ2eifSWQg5PVPuGZTIMMZQsJhXGqiUOj5OCotao50ZHlSnT4YA2sRpjda8VbQM7+e WOkxU2nW5bkDVnBA4uDuNfoXg88RBS41jtwd7JU3nqI3j9WdIhFSWWMVfCm5M+/X+81F w+m9wplcUlvbXqdhIt+cW1n8sDuxHZNcxqzt77FtzBgqxHhi53Veptfd1dUT1q3c0fS1 S56QDHSfhvdjOIheiV5kYOidIMHoXZ9WTmtO64+owh/AA10V2eIpcuZUFGdm6ji82fK+ 3GC4A/kCFZIlnAOdlKlLLJj1haVk++SkDWYFUux9tSODOBUONC5C5vNONQeWIXGZAjqB PPsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533gZdxc+guKl/lHL2QXKfTdmOK2RvmOKgCTSnG1QXbZCa+b88bR KP7ddo5kDAbPFGMklFumyFtjmWJ/XMiw47SAzZfSXMGL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw6KmdzLDJr+3k4o29YkfPaUOti7cn2rD/Q1+wXXHBePdlqyKWOiQHsFjQ5b5MEbgVFV3XyHz1E3yxwloJw4SI= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c3c5:: with SMTP id t188mr10663632lff.149.1590268803966; Sat, 23 May 2020 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2020 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4671487d-2a25-3c9b-05c5-523bbfed48d8@holgerdanske.com> References: <4671487d-2a25-3c9b-05c5-523bbfed48d8@holgerdanske.com> From: Donald Wilde Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:20:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tx8P5JDcz3ScH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RTcO2eP8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::144 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.852]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.017]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::144:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 21:20:06 -0000 I use Ubuntu 18.04 as my desktop-of-choice and recommend it for my corporate clients for non-rack applications. Raw Debian might be better -- especially with a lighter-weight desktop like XFCE -- but the ease of just clicking "Ubuntu" when installing a package is monumental when you need a "just works" system to introduce people (especially Doze-heads) to the UNIX-like system world. I scraped Doze off a laptop for my housekeeper and she's now completely satisfied with Ubuntu and LibreOffice! That says a lot. FreeBSD and Linux _are_ very, very different, which is why I'm now loading a mule machine with 12-STABLE prior to building racks with gobs (warning: technical term) of FreeBSD servers. For servers I can't see CentOS or SUSE as being as good as FreeBSD in terms of either performance or customization potential, and I suspect that that will stay true with the sustenance FreeBSD has from the corporate user community. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************