From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 1 11:51:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADE816A407; Tue, 1 May 2007 11:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (nagual.pp.ru [194.87.13.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF7C13C459; Tue, 1 May 2007 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l41BpZ8p006894; Tue, 1 May 2007 15:51:35 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l41BpYf6006893; Tue, 1 May 2007 15:51:34 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:51:33 +0400 From: Andrey Chernov To: Alfred Perlstein Message-ID: <20070501115133.GA6634@nagual.pp.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Andrey Chernov , Alfred Perlstein , Mark Linimon , Roman Kurakin , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org References: <20070430225717.GA7008@VARK.MIT.EDU> <20070501000242.GA19510@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501002817.GA887@nagual.pp.ru> <463690FE.9000209@inse.ru> <20070501010709.GA1304@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501013957.GX13868@elvis.mu.org> <20070501064828.GA3836@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501083032.GA9361@soaustin.net> <20070501084514.GA4889@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501113155.GD13868@elvis.mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070501113155.GD13868@elvis.mu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: Mark Linimon , Roman Kurakin , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/sysinstall main.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:51:37 -0000 On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 04:31:55AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > If the fallout from your changes broke a bunch of things in > -current, then we can expect the fallout in -stable to be > even worse. They are not planning to go into -stable any soon until the moment when 7.x becomes -stable, when libc version number will be bumped. Do you mean under "bunch of things" few programs either mainly unchanged from V7 hacks time or suffering just because we have unportable poorly implemented putenv() in our libc which breaks its original SysV POLA? If yes, such changes are surely for good: backward-compatible, eliminating hacks and making our soft more portable. > Your query about bug reports is a straw man as anticipating > a lot of fallout which has already occured does not require > that I actually have a bug report. What you calls "fallouts" I call "portablity". > The end result is more users being bitten because a discussion > regarding this has obviously not taken place. It happens now, so they don't miss anything. At any moment those changes can be made non-default, under some sort of env. variable or old bug-to-bug functionality will be made by env. variable or some other ways. It depends on problem reports I hit, but I don't see any yet. > And yes, you're being a jerk. :) Thanx, I hope that streak will help me to improve our code. -- http://ache.pp.ru/