From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 10 08:31:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5761416A41F for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:31:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EFF43D53 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:31:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBA8UmMO076229; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <439A923A.3040205@samsco.org> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:30:50 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050615 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jonathan michaels References: <20051209093610.GR898@marvin.riggiland.au> <4399997D.7010304@samsco.org> <20051209154056.GA21926@freebie.xs4all.nl> <4399A612.1030103@samsco.org> <20051209160006.GA53492@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20051209163843.GS898@marvin.riggiland.au> <20051210081717.61326@caamora.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20051210081717.61326@caamora.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: David Malone , "Thomas E. Zander" , stable@freebsd.org, Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Boot manager beep X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:31:14 -0000 jonathan michaels wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 05:38:43PM +0100, Thomas E. Zander wrote: > >>On Fri, 09. Dec 2005, at 16:00 +0000, David Malone wrote >>according to [Re: Boot manager beep]: >> >>>On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 08:43:14AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: >>> >>> >>>>It is highly irritating for everyone else, though. >>> >>>Not quite everyone - if I'm working on a few machines I find it >>>useful to know when a particular machine has reached the boot stage, >>>so I can tell it to go into single user mode. It is particularly >>>useful on machines where the BIOS tages ages to do its stuff. >> >>Probably it isn't even a real problem on most boxes. Usually standard >>desktops and servers (maybe) have their pc speaker which is set to a >>reasonable volume at boot time. I never found this beep annoying in my >>servers. Just came across it when I had to reinstall my notebook >>because of a hard drive crash and 6.0 installed this beeping boot >>loader. So probably as Scott pointed out, it might be best to let the >>user choose a quiet loader as an option. >>Naturally, boot0 is a tiny program, it shouldn't be a problem to build >>a boot0nobeep as well and install one of them depending on settings, >>maybe even early during sysinstall ?! > > > yes, that sounds reasonable to me .. i'm one of those sightless ones > who caused the irritation for mr long. may i suggest that the default > situation be set to beep: ON and if teh enduser requires or need the > beep: OFF version then they are left to make the adjustments as thier > own exercise. i like the idea about setting a bit in the /dev/conf > file, ummm something like that my memory isnt that good this morning. > > it is most difficult trying to work out how and where to make changes > when being able to see teh scree becomes a personal issue .. every bit > helps. > > sorry for the intrusion . this be one of those items that needs some > vocalisation from those it genuinely affects and for whom it is not a > meer cosmetic annoyance. > > regards and apologies > > jonathan > I have one comment on this. All I did was suggest that the code be made conditional. I did not take a stand on whether it should default to being enabled or not. And yes, the beep is irritating when I'm trying to do development on a plane or other confined public spaces. Scott