Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 01:36:00 +0400 (MSD) From: "."@babolo.ru To: jos@catnook.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file) Message-ID: <200205272136.BAA20122@aaz.links.ru> In-Reply-To: <20020527184744.GD1724@lizzy.catnook.com> from "Jos Backus" at "May 27, 2 11:47:22 am"
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Jos Backus writes:
> As this thread once more suggests, the whole concept of pidfiles is broken.
> The proper way is to use a service control manager which keeps track of
> processes, allowing them to be stopped/restarted etc. through a single API. (I
I understand, but there no control manager now,
and I suggest some tuning of rights
--- etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist Mon Jan 14 14:23:15 2002
+++ etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist Sat Mar 9 20:32:38 2002
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@
..
preserve
..
- run
+ run gname=daemon mode=1775
ppp gname=network mode=0770
..
..
and every daemon in group 'daemon' while no better method
> am not going to mention AIX's System Resource Controller again because some
> people on this list don't seem to like AIX.)
>
> Last time the discussion about daemontools seemed to end in it being a good
> idea but djb's license being unsuitable, iIrc. So on the 22nd I sent an
> e-mail to -hackers saying that I have found a BSD-licensed service control
> manager suitable for import into the base OS, in the hope of restarting this
> discussion. init(8) doesn't cut it for various reasons: single config file,
> runs as root, critical to system startup, etc.
I have a lot of troubles with djb's tools in jail environment:
they are unreliable.
Are you sure that http://www.io.com/~manoj/file/mktool-0.0.7.tar.gz
(are you mean this one?) is better?
I do not find docs or mans and am not sure that
it is worth-while to dig in thist code instead of
simple shell scripts (as in ports/38593 - that is
my way to service control manager)
> But it appears I am in a minority because so far I have only received one
> private response.
>
> Mnsho, of course.
>
> Jos
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 12:24:56PM -0600, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > [Redirecting to the hackers list -- please respect the reply-to header]
> >
> > >>>>> "Claus" == Claus Assmann <freebsd+stable@esmtp.org> writes:
> >
> > Claus> On Mon, May 27, 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote:
> > >> Any particular reason why the sendmail with 4.6-RC is writing sm-
> > >> client.pid into /var/spool/clientmqueue instead of /var/run?
> >
> > Claus> Permissions.
> >
> > This points out a short-fall in the /var/run scheme: it can only be used
> > by processes running with an euid of 0 at the time they create the file.
> >
> > If we have a /var/run/sendmail directory owned by the smmsp user then
> > sendmail can create its pid files there. Likewise for bind. The purgedir
> > function in /etc/rc (used to clean /var/run) will preserve the existing
> > directory structure under /var/run, so the sub-directory tree will
> > survive reboots.
>
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