From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 08:24:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC4816A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D363543F3F for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D01675A1; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gmx.net (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8AFNu26074767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Message-ID: <3F5F420B.5030202@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:55 +0200 From: Michael Nottebrock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org References: <3F5F2774.9010408@gmx.net> <20030910144620.GA2438@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20030910144620.GA2438@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: Quo vadis, -CURRENT? (recent changes to cc & compatibility) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:24:01 -0000 Steve Kargl wrote: > I have no problems in building the traditional C "hello world" > program with "cc -pedantic". You're right about that, you'll need a C++ hello world (, cout). This is in the archives anyway and (should be) well known. >>(why could >>this change not have been made _after_ 4.9 is out the door, btw.? Or before >>5.0-R FWIW.) > > > 4.9 and 5.0-R are independent branch. By your logic we should wait to > 4.10 or 4.11 or 4.12 or ... before any substantial change can be made > to -CURRENT. The point is that is isn't wise to commit a change like the -pthread deprecation that breaks many ports just before a ports-freeze. > The reason gcc-3.3.1 was committed before 5.0-R should > be fairly obvious. I was concerned with the -pthread deprecation. >>I feel that a FreeBSD that manages to break so many existing >>configure-scripts and build systems is degraded in usefulness. > > Please see the Handbook for the distinction between -CURRENT > and -STABLE. Oh please. -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org