From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 07:38:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF51F1065671 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFF18FC12 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so70515ana.13 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:38:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kDrdzXTureJEMirBSc1cR7fp6S2Y4nr8jPMnnkSD7/A=; b=bvJ0hK7Pqb1BocWBzpmVXkKAKnAQgSOxfHq2/iYGHfWxrcFoHFb/FjAx2Zg6EOLVFjc+NqiyuEkBtXlFDxMFFAZdrsHHAAW8+hu2Zd4Nmfy8VIt9JveHN71qkCVE1qBvBnnYfZ7EhFK8jN3Rl08gj8weoJ+N7SUWd+Nac5YPTCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eJ+cAGGkqumFFD2eDDIwlihoQ5WvXI6TPQtq+ItIR7ahwOdOVRaOdj/3Hb90wjyg3sOHBQvAke74oOFM1EaklMItGrp9uC7NE2E1g/c+l/QwnCBmnYR9aHRSuRe5AeIAuOjT5gf6IWswwsbbSnAOGrweCAQnYKB9noNKYZ3DyZo= Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr5745937anc.105.1212046685878; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.14 with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d3ed48c0805290038m5098e34bne51f919c9094ae04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:38:05 -0700 From: "Kevin Downey" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080529065732.GA36261@thought.org> Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:38:07 -0000 On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Don't bother, Gary. > > The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. > > The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and > put crap on a crappy-looking interface. > > The better hosting companies each have their own site builders > and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate > and the occassional personal sites. > > Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. > Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, > it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running > on their PC or on the server. > > black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, > read up on how the human eye works to understand why. > > Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then > create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in > the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It > is understanding how all the things work together. > > Ted > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Gary Kline >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:58 PM >> To: FreeBSD Mailing List >> Subject: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. >> >> >> Several weeks ago a friend asked why my www.thought.org page >> was so hard to read. She said that part of my text was black >> on the deep-blue bg on my RHS. I stopped and checked with >> firefox; things looked fine. I've done all markup by hand since >> '94, very carefully, with only browsers in the ports tree-- >> mozilla, firefox, a couple others. >> >> About a week ago I viewed my homepage with KDE Konq and almost >> flipped out. One "free" commercial historical calender event >> feature was glued to the bottom of my blue bar (
) >> on the RHS of the page. And yep, the new text and other things >> were centered in the middle of the long blue rectangle. >> >> Since I have a few weeks now to work on things beside research, >> it's time to update my main web page. My friend was using IE; >> it may be that Konqueror uses a similar parser to position >> things on a .php or .html page. >> >> Other than beginning from Zero and trying to determine exactly >> what causes firefox and konq to diverge, do any of you have any >> other ideas? I've never learned an HTML editors because of the >> learning curve. But:: if/when I come up with a better design for >> my home page, I'm willing to try again:: any best (simple) HTML >> editors in ports? >> >> I'd be much obliged for any help here. >> >> >> gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix >> http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org >> >> Let be the first of many to say, please do not top post. In a recent interview it was revealed that the New York Times does a lot of by hand html writing because it just gets you better html. Konq uses more or less the same rendering engine as Safari. http://iamvoodoochile.redgrapellc.com/uploaded_images/1985-741912.jpg -- break down of modern webdesign -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye