From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 7 20:47:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E5816A4DD for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lexi.siliconlandmark.com (lexi.siliconlandmark.com [209.69.98.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F9E43D39 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:47:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andy@siliconlandmark.com) Received: from lexi.siliconlandmark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j47Kl5YZ094192; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@siliconlandmark.com) Received: from localhost (andy@localhost)j47Kl1OK094189; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@siliconlandmark.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lexi.siliconlandmark.com: andy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Andre Guibert de Bruet To: Freddie Cash In-Reply-To: <35441.24.71.0.233.1115224763.squirrel@imap.sd73.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20050507163900.U55534@lexi.siliconlandmark.com> References: <9533da6c050503173261897e65@mail.gmail.com> <35441.24.71.0.233.1115224763.squirrel@imap.sd73.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SL-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.542, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: andy@siliconlandmark.com cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Installer as a replacement for sysinstall? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:47:09 -0000 On Wed, 4 May 2005, Freddie Cash wrote: > What really needs to be done is to separate the installer from the > post-install configuration program. > > The OS installer should do nothing more than install the OS. Don't > configure anything other than the root password and an initial user. > Just copy the OS to the harddrive. Everything else (timezone, network > interfaces, packages, everything) should be done post-install, once > you have booted into the OS. All programs should be disabled until > the admin decides to enable them. Keep it simple, keep it quick. And > make it scriptable. This would be a serious regression for users which need to deploy freebsd roomfulls at a time. PXE boot and install over the network is something that is really important for a lot of people; Myself included. > If a GUI configuration program / package installer is needed, it > should be done as a separate project, completely unrelated to the OS > installer. Fair enough. > This is the biggest shortcoming, and albatross for, sysinstall. > sysinstall is a decent OS installer. But it's a horrible OS > configurator. And yet, for some reason, enough people have used it to > configure the OS that any calls for a new installer always seem to > come with a (IMO useless) requirement that is also be an OS > confiugration tool. Which is ludicrous if you think about it. Okay. When should we be expecting patches? ;-) Cheers, Andy /* Andre Guibert de Bruet * 6f43 6564 7020 656f 2e74 4220 7469 6a20 */ /* Code poet / Sysadmin * 636f 656b 2e79 5320 7379 6461 696d 2e6e */ /* GSM: +1 734 846 8758 * 5520 494e 2058 6c73 7565 6874 002e 0000 */ /* WWW: siliconlandmark.com * Tormenting bytes since 1980. */