From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 17 15:39:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A82114E31 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a073.otenet.gr [195.167.115.73]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA00401 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:38:56 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 3803 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Oct 1999 22:40:50 -0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printers (was Re: keyboards) References: <199910171125.VAA36211@ska.bsn> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 18 Oct 1999 01:40:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: atrn@zeta.org.au's message of "Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:25:25 +1000 (EST)" Message-ID: <86d7udbogd.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org atrn@zeta.org.au writes: > David Kelly wrote: > > As a result, I don't buy these products. Even for a WinNT application. > > Some of us on the inside try to promote the idea that Unix should be > supported but without customers actually asking for this support the powers > that be don't listen. Well, thank you David... it's exactly this kind of people that we Unix users need to be working in these 'inside' parts of key companies, because it really makes me feel better to know that saying "I'm not buying, because I have the honor and curse to be running *BSd at home" somebody is actually going to hear this and somehow care about it. > One of the big stumbling blocks is the lack of an abstract printing > model for applications. This is mainly a problem caused by the totally incompatible ways in which printers of today are talking to their soft-partners, the drivers that each company uses and distributes for that 'other' OS, if I am not mistaken. Of course, having some standards like, say, PCL or PostScript is fine, but it does not give us the possibility to use those 'extra' features each printer might have. Anyway, this is often caused by the fact that the 'proprietary' driver distributed with the printer for some of the 'famous' OSes, does not have to let anyone know how it does this, or what it's telling to the printer over that serial or parallel cable -- and this suits the company that made the printer incredibly, since they can often hide some of their newest and oh-so-cool hacks that make the printer print in such astonishing colors, or with such amazing quality. The result of all this is that, unless you're using Windows for printing, you're a bit out of luck, even with all the efforts of teams like the GNU or Alladin Ghostscript developers to provide us with a good, quality set of tools for printing under Unix. However, what I usually do in environments that more than one PC is available, is to hook the printer on some Windows machine, install all those neat drivers over there, and let the others print over the network with Samba. It's worked for me so far, and I certainly hope it will keep working for some time. This is not a true 'unix-solution' but it's the best thing I could think of, so far. It seems that it's an evil printing world out there... -- Giorgos Keramidas, "That field hath eyen, and the wood hath ears." [Geoffrey Chaucer, 1328-1400] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message