From nobody Mon Apr 15 22:24:31 2024 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VJMD82KGqz5HCfV for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJMD76mBpz4pHC for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 43FMOWKF039655; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1713219878; x=1713220478; r=y; bh=OQeDMDr341VQVhWDommv2YhWqIL932us2JZ5YI6awzQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=n9XIZulxYW+yPB5VZqffIL8fDLAAEFqhJzit8DDxAeajEcxs2GOP5OMzwe4tlcazr BlGWcbv+bAHramM7TD+cVIH8ocGU/tlAbUfGT21/nVewfTXaBSkP79DyRc3QGLGzAa 2C++o+nbF26vgpeUed6rCjSGMcvL5wuJGIwfmIhZr1iOdfXKgMUS1gYPiaBeNf6ZYI xTBReZ+QvQXcq8uYqCJjo+GIdYyPp6KfMLkkmWQ8zDxacGdj7TFEXsOVWzTshZq39G 5Vc9WgVGFXIJrTDUPN0dTfUDpOk6VSU+xDPQBY2WPI0NQ0jctx4ilrMMnNxr9yfY46 yeDcYUQEbXB4g== List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:24:31 -0700 From: Chris To: Roger Marquis Cc: Lexi Winter , pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailwrapper In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <2dadf7ac48cb96fc3d503fcf45ca8fd0@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VJMD76mBpz4pHC On 2024-04-15 14:08, Roger Marquis wrote: >> i am working on a patch for mailwrapper, which i'd like to move from >> FreeBSD-utilities to its own package. > ... > > Please don't, however, link anything to sendmail. Even it's author says > sendmail should be deprecated. Despite the many hours some of us have > put into sendmail.cf customizations this software is long past its > effective deprecation date. Please. Can we not turn this into a MTA v. MTA discussion? Mailwrapper should handle all the MTAs supported by FreeBSD. Shouldn't it? That's what it's used for. Right? :) --Chris > > Roger Marquis > > >> however i'm a little stymied by usr.sbin/mailwrapper/Makefile[0], which >> seems to do a few fairly odd things for the benefit of src users, such as >> linking mailwrapper to either dma or sendmail if mailwrapper itself isn't >> built. >> >> i'd like to significantly simplify the logic here so that if mailwrapper is >> enabled (${MK_MAILWRAPPER} == yes), it's always installed in the usual >> place, and doesn't pretend to be dma or sendmail, and there is no special >> handling depending on the value of ${MK_SENDMAIL} and ${MK_DMAGENT}. >> >> this might require some changes to either sendmail or dma (which of course >> i'd test before submitting anything), but in principle, does this sound >> like a reasonable idea? >> >> i am concious that many/most people don't use pkgbase yet and we shouldn't >> break things for them, but this seems like an ideal to time to clean up >> some of this legacy stuff. >> >> [0] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/mailwrapper/Makefile >>