From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 27 17:18:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B6C37B479; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10422; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:14:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAcRaOru; Fri Oct 27 17:14:25 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03233; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:17:56 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010280017.RAA03233@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ipfw question. To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:17:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jhb@FreeBSD.ORG (John Baldwin), billf@chimesnet.com (Bill Fumerola) In-Reply-To: <52697.972618455@winston.osd.bsdi.com> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Oct 26, 2000 08:47:35 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've also sent out numerous appeals to the various mailing lists for > someone, anyone, to come up with something better than sysinstall > which was somehow less grandiose than my own follow-on designs or, > failing that, to significantly revamp sysinstall itself. The fact > that nobody has stepped up to the plate has, I feel, nothing to do > with vaporware, it has to do with certain problems simply being icky > and unpleasant to deal with. If such was not the case, you'd think > one of the other *BSDs would have done it if not us. > > Let's also not forget that Caldera had to PAY Trolltech to do their > fancy installer and then Red Hat came along and substantially pinched > off of that one, so even the vastly better-funded and staffed Linux > projects haven't really managed to crack the nut just on volunteer > labor alone. FWIW: I know someone who is willing to substantially revise the install process, BUT: 1) They will want to keep it proprietary for commercial use for a period of at least a year, and that would mean probably keeping it out of the official source tree for that period of time. As you note, it is icky and unpleasent to deal with, and they will expect to recoup their investment. 2) They will want to call their stuff FreeBSD, but that has historically been vetoed, unless the installation images are exactly the same as what you can download of the net or buy from Walnut Creek. During that year, they wouldn't be. Obviously, #1 would potentially cannibalize the WC CDROM market for FreeBSD CDROMs, assuming they do a decent job of things. Obviously, #2 means that they people willing to do the work are interested in a "RedHat FreeBSD"-like play, which may not be in everyones interest. As I said: FWIW. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message