From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 19:39:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11C19BA for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22b.google.com (mail-ob0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F54912F0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by obew15 with SMTP id w15so111965126obe.1 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:39:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KLqKrolVA4sf9/FexgqM0Ze4KwieoIv5ATYqJdDmYp4=; b=ICUDZegyXXWQDeqzkOQFLEFsiyssyii6nGbyft+SGtq/H0D+lfJ+piYpo6BduN8Ekf K9YLWpqGojZ7cdhhiXqtBT1KHUcma9FVkfP2RUYvTg2poWhl2ixmoSQvPrla9m2ZGkIQ BltIeM844T+dThF/isQvn7z2G7PwOMx9IhAuWHjhD4VxmmU67hcYCK2Bl8oTNexeYdT6 aKPmTtzXIpeY2S9fECAbCYqYCNFdTWrDjGsbRf2BJZhOXqWj9DmABO2W48Xmk1DlYVwi NMknT1Gr1DRcmOq5q40C+qXf8YGwajbFFpW6sBX8LO9jh8m3M82qFU9PqwwDz5M5L6WQ 67PQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.47.113 with SMTP id c17mr19347286oen.64.1433187571029; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.117.230 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <37400.128.135.70.2.1433187108.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20150601145425.20b56f3a@seibercom.net> <556CAD9A.6040005@radel.com> <37400.128.135.70.2.1433187108.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 15:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: best options for a *WORKING* MTA From: Aryeh Friedman To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: Jon Radel , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:39:32 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Mon, June 1, 2015 2:11 pm, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Yes I did I said several time.... I specifically said I can connect to > > port > > 25 from localhost but not remotely... I fixed it with exim so it is not > an > > issue any more but the point is the default sendmail config is simply > > broken and so badly documented that making it work as described in the > > handbook or on various sites for 10.1 is very confusing > > Disclaimer: I do not use sendmail, during last decade and a half I use > postfix, and am very happy about it (postfix was written with security in > mind...) However, occasionally it takes me some time after setting up new > FreeBSD box before I switch to postfix, and in an interim, I never noticed > sendmail to be broken. Again, I'm not a big fan of sendmail (though waaay > back "configure sendmail" was part of sysadmin test I had to pass), but to > say sendmail config on FreeBSD is broken is unfair IMHO. > Then tell me how this is not broken when the default behaviour (even after editing local-host-names): from Localhost: telnet localhost 25 [standard SMTP output] from any other machine: telnet mailserver 25 connection refused and no where in the handbook or documentation does it a) say this is the default behavior and b) how to fix it with installing SASL or something else from ports (violating the idea that the base system works out of the box with no additions) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org